On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 01:48:18PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 01:30:07PM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:

But you cannot do a recursion check in #VC, because the NMI can happen
on the first instruction of #VC, before we can increment our counter,
and then the #VC can happen on NMI because the IST stack is a goner, and
we're fscked again (or on a per-cpu variable we touch in our elaborate
NMI setup, etc..).

No, the recursion check is fine, because overwriting an already used IST
stack doesn't matter (as long as it can be detected) if we are going to
panic anyway. It doesn't matter because the kernel will not leave the
currently running handler anymore.

I agree there is no way to keep the system running if that happens, but
that is also not what is wanted. If stack recursion happens, something
malicious from the HV side is going on, and all the kernel needs to be
able to is to safely and reliably detect the situation and panic the VM
to prevent any data corruption or loss or even leakage.

I'll keep repeating this, x86_64 exceptions are a trainwreck, and IST in
specific is utter crap.

I agree, but don't forget the most prominent underlying reason for IST:
The SYSCALL gap. If SYSCALL would switch stacks most of those issues
would not exist. IST would still be needed because there are no task
gates in x86-64, but still...

Regards,

	Joerg