On 10/02/2018 12:54 PM, Kees Cook wrote:

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Jordan Glover
[off-list ref] wrote:

quoted

It's always documented as: "selinux=1 security=selinux" so security= should
still do the job and selinux=1 become no-op, no?

The v3 patch set worked this way, yes. (The per-LSM enable defaults
were set by the LSM. Only in the case of "lsm.disable=selinux" would
the above stop working.)

John did not like the separation of having two CONFIG and two
bootparams mixing the controls. The v3 resolution rules were:

SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE overrides CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE.
SECURITY_APPARMOR_BOOTPARAM_VALUE overrides CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE.
selinux= overrides SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE.
apparmor.enabled= overrides SECURITY_APPARMOR_BOOTPARAM_VALUE.
apparmor= overrides apparmor.enabled=.
lsm.enable= overrides selinux=.
lsm.enable= overrides apparmor=.
lsm.disable= overrides lsm.enable=.
major LSM _omission_ from security= (if present) overrides lsm.enable.

v4 removed the per-LSM boot params and CONFIGs at John's request, but
Paul and Stephen don't want this for SELinux.

The pieces for reducing conflict with CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE and
lsm.{enable,disable}= were:

1- Remove SECURITY_APPARMOR_BOOTPARAM_VALUE.
2- Remove apparmor= and apparmor.enabled=.
3- Remove SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE.
4- Remove selinux=.

v4 used all of 1-4 above. SELinux says "4" cannot happen as it's too
commonly used. Would 3 be okay for SELinux?

Let's say a user/packager/distro has been building kernels for the past 
14 years (*) with a config that has SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE=0, 
and now they build a new kernel that includes these patches using that 
same config.  Won't SELinux be enabled by default because 
SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE is now ignored and LSM_ENABLE defaults 
to all?  Is it ok to require them to specify a new config option to 
preserve old behavior?

(*) how long this config option has been around

John, with 4 not happening, do you prefer to not have 2 happen?

With CONFIGs removed, then the boot time defaults are controlled by
CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE, but the boot params continue to work as before.
Only the use of the new lsm.enable= and lsm.disable= would override
the per-LSM boot params. This would clean up the build-time CONFIG
weirdness, and leave the existing boot params as before (putting us
functionally in between the v3 and v4 series).

-Kees