On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 09:17:18AM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:

This is confusing me right now. ;-)

Let's use a simple example for only one primitive, as I understand it,
if we say a primitive A is "fully ordered", we actually mean:

1.	The memory operations preceding(in program order) A can't be
	reordered after the memory operations following(in PO) A.

and

2.	The memory operation(s) in A can't be reordered before the
	memory operations preceding(in PO) A and after the memory
	operations following(in PO) A.

If we say A is a "full barrier", we actually means:

1.	The memory operations preceding(in program order) A can't be
	reordered after the memory operations following(in PO) A.

and

2.	The memory ordering guarantee in #1 is visible globally.

Is that correct? Or "full barrier" is more strong than I understand,
i.e. there is a third property of "full barrier":

3.	The memory operation(s) in A can't be reordered before the
	memory operations preceding(in PO) A and after the memory
	operations following(in PO) A.

IOW, is "full barrier" a more strong version of "fully ordered" or not?

Yes, that was how I used it.

Now of course; the big question is do we want to promote this usage or
come up with a different set of words describing this stuff.

I think separating the ordering from the transitivity is useful, for we
can then talk about and specify them independently.

That is, we can say:

	LOAD-ACQUIRE: orders LOAD->{LOAD,STORE}
	              weak transitivity (RCpc)

	MB: orders {LOAD,STORE}->{LOAD,STORE} (fully ordered)
	    strong transitivity (RCsc)

etc..

Also, in the above I used weak and strong transitivity, but that too is
of course up for grabs.