Thread (11 messages) 11 messages, 3 authors, 2021-04-06

Re: [PATCH printk v2 2/5] printk: remove safe buffers

From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
Date: 2021-04-06 11:01:12
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On 2021-04-01, Petr Mladek [off-list ref] wrote:
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Caller-id solves this problem and is easy to sort for anyone with
`grep'. Yes, it is a shame that `dmesg' does not show it, but
directly using any of the printk interfaces does show it (kmsg_dump,
/dev/kmsg, syslog, console).
True but frankly, the current situation is _far_ from convenient:

   + consoles do not show it by default
   + none userspace tool (dmesg, journalctl, crash) is able to show it
   + grep is a nightmare, especially if you have more than handful of CPUs

Yes, everything is solvable but not easily.
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    I get this with "echo l >/proc/sysrq-trigger" and this patchset:
Of course. Without caller-id, it is a mess. But this has nothing to do
with NMI. The same problem exists for WARN_ON() on multiple CPUs
simultaneously. If the user is not using caller-id, they are
lost. Caller-id is the current solution to the interlaced logs.
Sure. But in reality, the risk of mixed WARN_ONs is small. While
this patch makes backtraces from all CPUs always unusable without
caller_id and non-trivial effort.
I would prefer we solve the situation for non-NMI as well, not just for
the sysrq "l" case.
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For the long term, we should introduce a printk-context API that allows
callers to perfectly pack their multi-line output into a single
entry. We discussed [0][1] this back in August 2020.
We need a "short" term solution. There are currently 3 solutions:

1. Keep nmi_safe() and all the hacks around.

2. Serialize nmi_cpu_backtrace() by a spin lock and later by
   the special lock used also by atomic consoles.

3. Tell complaining people how to sort the messed logs.
Or we look into the long term solution now. If caller-id's cannot not be
used as the solution (because nobody turns it on, nobody knows about it,
and/or distros do not enable it), then we should look at how to make at
least the backtraces contiguous. I have a few ideas here.

John Ogness
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