On 09/18/2014 07:20 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 04:40:36 PM Graeme Gregory wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 01:22:10AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

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On Wednesday 17 September 2014, Graeme Gregory wrote:

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It sounds like from the discussions in other threads that ARM64 should
be following x86 and re-using DT bindings here. In which case there is
not need to submit things to UEFI organisation.

What I got a little lost in has there been a formal decision about DT
bindings in _DSD?

I think this is a discussion that still needs to happen: either we should
recommend everyone to use _DSD in favor of the alternatives, or we
should prohibit the use of _DSD. I have heard arguments both ways, but
hopefully we can find an easy answer.

This discussion is just not going to happen until people at @redhat.com
and people who have currently announced/released hardware are actually
willing to start talking about it.

Id love to be able to put my foot down and ban the use of _DSD for
servers but I suspect that will not happen.

I'll probably should stay away from this discussion, but I can't resist. :-)

Please imagine the situation in which the same IP block is included in an ARM64
SoC and in an x86 SoC that ships with ACPI tables and a _DSD for that device in
them.  What benefit would be there from disallowing systems based on the ARM64
SoC in question to ship the same _DSD in their ACPI tables?

"Disallowing" is a strong word in any case, because vendors own the
platform and will ship _DSD properties to describe those devices. So the
only "disallowing" Linux can do is to ignore entities present in ACPI
tables that have already been shipped by vendors.

Anyway. I think we all don't want a runaway frenzy with _DSD key/values
(generally there ought to be as few as possible, and additions should
only happen carefully). Broadly, there are three levels I see here:

0). Devices that are part of the core ACPI specification. None today
need key/value pairs, and I want to avoid this from growing.
1). Devices containing _DSD key/value pairs for a specific device but of
a common industry type, such as a network device. In this case, the 4-6
properties that might need to be specified (MAC address, PHY address,
PHY type, etc.) should be as minimal as possible and then standardized
into a common binding that vendors agree to support, and which is owned
and controlled by a neutral group such as ASWG.
2). Devices containining a specific ACPI ID that is unique to a given
vendor where that device implements value-add/offload/something non core
that can be owned entirely within a driver for one device. In that case,
maybe a vendor would define a minimal set of _DSD key/values and be on
the hook to maintain compatibility themselves.

I've chatted with a few people, and there will be a nice proposal
presented to ASWG/UEFI on how to provide an official process for
defining key/value pairs that are shared between common device types and
managed by such a forum, as in the cases 0 and 1 above. In the
meanwhile, there is only one _DSD use case in the early ACPI patches for
ARM servers (in the network MAC, to pass in the mac address and a couple
of PHY address/ID bits) and I've connected the vendors together asking
them to come up with the initial first example covering that.

None of this is core to ACPI enablement. It's specific to a few drivers
where also on x86 there will be _DSD properties.

Jon.