On 2018-12-03, Christian Brauner [off-list ref] wrote:

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As I pointed out in another mail my I is to make this work by using
file descriptors for /proc/<pid>/task/<tid>.  I don't want this in the
initial patchset though.  I prefer to slowly add those features once
we have gotten the basic functionality in.

Do you want to land all this in one kernel release?  I wonder how
applications are supposed to discover kernel support if functionality is
split across several kernel releases.  If you get EINVAL or EBADF, it
may not be obvious what is going on.

Sigh, I get that but I really don't want to have to land this in one big
chunk. I want this syscall to go in in a as soon as we can to fulfill
the most basic need: having a way that guarantees us that we signal the
process that we intended to signal.

The thread case is easy to implement on top of it. But I suspect we will
quibble about the exact semantics for a long time. Even now we have been
on multiple - justified - detrous. That's all pefectly fine and
expected. But if we have the basic functionality in we have time to do
all of that. We might even land it in the same kernel release still. I
really don't want to come of as tea-party-kernel-conservative here but I
have time-and-time again seen that making something fancy and cover ever
interesting feature in one patchset takes a very very long time.

If you care about userspace being able to detect that case I can return
EOPNOTSUPP when a tid descriptor is passed.

Personally, I'm +1 on -EOPNOTSUPP so we can get an MVP merged, and add
new features in later patches.

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What happens if you use the new interface with an O_PATH descriptor?

You get EINVAL. When an O_PATH file descriptor is created the kernel
will set file->f_op = &empty_fops at which point the check I added 
        if (!proc_is_tgid_procfd(f.file))
                goto err;
will fail. Imho this is correct behavior since technically signaling a
struct pid is the equivalent of writing to a file and hence doesn't
purely operate on the file descriptor level.

Not to mention that O_PATH file descriptors are a whole kettle of fish
when it comes to permission checking semantics.


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