Re: [PATCH] doc: replace jargon word "impact" with "effect"/"affect"

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 06:13:02PM -0500, Varun Varada wrote:

On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 09:35, Michal Suchánek [off-list ref] wrote:

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Not all evidence. There are people who think the use is fine.

What people think is not evidence.

There's people who think the Earth is flat.

And there's people who think it's not ok to use 'impact' as synonym for
effect/affect, too.

This is not because they *think* this, but because it's demonstrably
true. The words are not synonyms according to any reputable
dictionaries, as shown already.

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Indeed, but what the dictionaries provide is a definition.

Based on the definition some people think it's not OK, and some people
think it's OK.

That's only opinion, not evidence.

Hence, the dictionary definitions, which are evidence. If people are

The dictionaries provide definition, not usage guidelines.

Fabricating usage guildelines from sources that do not provide them is
opinion, not evidence.

confused as to what the words within the definition mean, they can

Two people. That's called 'anecdotal evidence'. You will find anecdotal
evidence in favor of pretty much anything possible, that does not mean
it's in any way common.

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that "per se" being used to mean "necessarily" is not a style issue,
using "impact" to mean "an effect" or "to affect" is not a style
issue.

As has been stated already, the clear and substantial argument for
this change is that it reduces the confusion that arises from
improperly using the word "impact" in the instances without any loss

There is no final authority on 'correct' word use in English.

Yes, there essentially is. It's called a dictionary. If you don't
respect the value of dictionaries, you're tacitly claiming that anyone

I don't consider opinions tangentially related to dictionary content a
proof of anything.

Also it has been pointed out that dictionaries don't agree on the
precise definition - hence no final authority. The laguage use varies,
and dictionaries also reflect that. Even the use of word 'impact'.

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This will bring in reviews that focus on hairsplitting when the
formulation with 'impact' reads better than 'effect' and where the
change does not make it read any better so it should not be changed.

It also brings in reviews of the sort that simply say that use of
'impact' is OK, and there is no need to change.

That's an "if". This, however, is a situation where multiple people

We already received such reviews as response to your patch. It's not
what-if.

Best regards

Michal