Thread (9 messages) 9 messages, 2 authors, 2026-01-08

Re: [RFC net 0/6] hsr: Implement more robust duplicate discard algorithm

From: Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>
Date: 2026-01-06 14:30:33

On Mon, Dec 22, 2025 at 09:57:30PM +0100, Felix Maurer wrote:
The PRP duplicate discard algorithm does not work reliably with certain
link faults. Especially with packet loss on one link, the duplicate
discard algorithm drops valid packets. For a more thorough description
see patch 5.

My suggestion is to replace the current, drop window-based algorithm
with a new one that tracks the received sequence numbers individually
(description again in patch 5). I am sending this as an RFC to gather
feedback mainly on two points:

1. Is the design generally acceptable? Of course, this change leads to
   higher memory usage and more work to do for each packet. But I argue
   that this is an acceptable trade-off to make for a more robust PRP
   behavior with faulty links. After all, PRP is to be used in
   environments where redundancy is needed and people are ready to
   maintain two duplicate networks to achieve it.
2. As the tests added in patch 6 show, HSR is subject to similar
   problems. I do not see a reason not to use a very similar algorithm
   for HSR as well (with a bitmap for each port). Any objections to
   doing that (in a later patch series)? This will make the trade-off
   with memory usage more pronounced, as the hsr_seq_block will grow by
   three more bitmaps, at least for each HSR node (of which we do not
   expect too many, as an HSR ring can not be infinitely large).
Hi Felix,

Happy New Year!

We have spoken about this offline before and I agree that the situation
should be improved.

IMHO the trade-offs you are making here seem reasonable.  And I wonder if
it helps to think in terms of the expected usage of this code: Is it
expected to scale to a point where the memory and CPU overhead becomes
unreasonable; or do, as I think you imply above, we expect deployments to
be on systems where the trade-offs are acceptable?
Most of the patches in this series are for the selftests. This is mainly
to demonstrate the problems with the current duplicate discard
algorithms, not so much about gathering feedback. Especially patch 1 and
2 are rather preparatory cleanups that do not have much to do with the
actual problems the new algorithm tries to solve.

A few points I know not yet addressed are:
- HSR duplicate discard (see above).
- The KUnit test is not updated for the new algorithm. I will work on
  that before actual patch submission.
FTR, the KUnit tests no longer compiles. But probably you already knew that.
- Merging the sequence number blocks when two entries in the node table
  are merged because they belong to the same node.

Thank you for your feedback already!
Some slightly more specific feedback:

* These patches are probably for net-next rather than net

* Please run checkpatch.pl --max-line-length=80 --codespell (on each patch)
  - And fix the line lengths where it doesn't reduce readability.
    E.g. don't split strings

* Please also run shellcheck on the selftests
  - As much as is reasonable please address the warnings
  - In general new .sh files should be shellcheck-clean
  - To aid this, use "# shellcheck disable=CASE", for cases that don't match
    the way selftests are written , e.g. SC2154 and SC2034

* I was curious to see LANG=C in at least one of the selftests.
  And I do see limited precedence for that. I'm just mentioning
  that I was surprised as I'd always thought it was an implied requirement.
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