----- Original Message -----

From: "Niccolò Belli" <redacted>
To: lartc@vger.kernel.org
Cc: netfilter@vger.kernel.org, "Linux Networking Developer Mailing List" <redacted>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:13:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Announce] LARTC wiki available

Il 29/12/2011 17:19, Hagen Paul Pfeifer ha scritto:

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But I don't like the idea to outhouse the existing wiki. Why two
wikis?

Because if you need an invite to edit something then it isn't a wiki
anymore, for example.

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What happened with the wiki server if you leave the university?

This isn't a problem, because relocating would be as simple as doing
a
database dump. Releasing dumps publicly wouldn't be a problem too.
Also,
there is no reason to keep using my servers when better alternatives
arise. I created the wiki in a dedicated server because I didn't find
viable alternatives (unlike for the mailing list) and considering the
few feedbacks I received hopefully doing something tangible would
create
more interest: I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks there
isn't enough documentation for the *end user*.

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So maybe the user
restriction on linuxfoundation.org should be changed?

Yes, IMHO.

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https://www.wiki.kernel.org/.

It seems a wiki for a kernel hacker, not for the end user.

P.S.
Feedbacks are welcome, if there is no interest at all maybe we should
just discard the idea after all.

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I can certainly concur that there is a lack of end user documentation.  I have found the net devs extremely helpful and am deeply grateful for their support but I do sometimes chuckle because the documentation and the responses are written from such a developer's context.  Of course, that is entirely expected and I don't mean the least bit of disrespect; I stand in complete awe of the net devs.

But the needs and perspectives of net devs and system engineers/admins are very different and rightly so.  So, I'd love to see a hybrid environment where we have the best of both worlds (but where sys admin types don't feel completely lost and overwhelmed).  Thanks, all - John