Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:09:37 +0000 Russell King [off-list ref] wrote:

On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:32:01PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 +0000 Russell King [off-list ref] wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 +0000 Russell King [off-list ref] wrote:

No, I don't mean that at all and this was very plainly obviously from my very
clearly written email.  Let me try again.

If you screen all bugzilla reports then you'll know that bug #9356 arrived
at about 1400 GMT yesterday.  It's hardly surprising then that your utterly
crappy responses to Natalie's message (which, incidentally, wasn't copied
to me) sent within 24 hours of that report cause *great* annoyance.

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No, no subsystem developer needs to monitor new bugzilla reports.  This is
because *I do it for them*.  I will actively make them aware of new reports
which I believe are legitimate and which contain sufficient information for
them to be able to take further action.

On the whole you do an excellent job with feeding the bug reports to
people, and while I recognise that you're only human, things do
occasionally go wrong.  For instance, sending clearly marked Samsung
S3C bugs to me rather than Ben Dooks (who's in MAINTAINERS for those
platforms.)

Well whatever, sorry.  But this is in the noise floor.  Point is: many bug
reports aren't being attended to.

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It would be far more productive if the ARM category was deleted from
bugzilla and the few people who use bugzilla reported their bugs on the
mailing list.  We've a couple of thousand people on the ARM kernel
mailing list at the moment - that's 3 orders of magnitude more of eyes
than look at bugzilla.

Is that linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk?

Yes.

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If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only.  That would cause
some bug reporters to give up and go away.

Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
non-subscribers only mailing list.  Period.  Not negotiable, so don't even
try to change my mind.

Making a list subscribers-only will cause some bug reports to be lost.

Tradeoffs are involved, against which decisions must be made.  You have
made yours.

So how are they lost when they're held in a moderation queue and are
either accepted, a useful response given to the original poster, or
are forwarded to someone who can deal with the issue.

I don't think "subscribers only" describes my lists - we don't devnull
stuff just because the poster is not a subscriber.

Oh, OK, as long as there really is a human paying attention to those things
then that's fine.  When one is on the sending end of these things one never
knows how long it will take, not whether it will even happen.