Re: RFC: per-socket statistics on received/dropped packets

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Lincoln Dale wrote:

At 08:33 AM 12/06/2002 -0400, jamal wrote:

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i know of many many folk who use transaction logs from HTTP caches for
volume-based billing.
right now, those bills are anywhere between 10% to 25% incorrect.

you call that "extremely limited"?

Surely, you must have better ways to do accounting than this -- otherwise
you deserve to loose money.

many people don't have better ways to do accounting than this.

Then they dont care about loosing money.
There's nothing _more important_ to a service provider than ability to do
proper billing. Otherwise, they are a charity organization.

in the case of Squid and Linux, they're typically using it because its
open-source and "free".

I am hoping you didnt mean to say squid was only good because it has
these perks.

they want to use HTTP Caching to save bandwidth (and therefore save money),
but they also live in a regime of volume-based billing.  (not everywhere on
the planet is fixed-$/month for DSL).

the unfortunate solution is to use HTTP Transaction logs, which count
payload at layer-7, not payload+headers+retransmissions at layer-3.

Look at your own employers eqpt if you want to do this right.
And then search around freshmeat so you dont reinvent the wheel.

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of course, i am doing exactly what Dave said to do -- maintaining my own
out-of-kernel patch -- but its a pain, i'm sure it will soon conflict with
stuff and is a damn shame - it isn't much code, but Dave seems pretty
steadfast that he isn't interested.

You havent proven why its needed. And from the looks of it you dont even
need it.

i don't need it because i already have it in my kernel.
but thats where it ends -- its destined to forever be a private patch.

And until you prove it is worth it and useful to other people then
forever thats where it belongs. I now of nobody serious about billing
who is using sockets stats as the transaction point.

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If 3 people need it, then i would like to ask we add lawn mower
support that my relatives have been asking for the last 5 years.

lawn-mower support sounds like a userspace application to me.

But we need a new system call support

cheers,
jamal