On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 22:29:35 +1000 Oliver O'Halloran Wrote

My read was that Matt is essentially doing a surprise hot-unplug by
removing power to the card without notifying the OS. I thought the
LBMS bit wouldn't be set in that case since the link goes down rather
than changes speed, but the spec is a little vague and that appears to
be happening in Matt's testing. It might be worth disabling the
workaround if the port has the surprise hotplug capability bit set.

Most of the systems I have are using downstream port containment which does
not recommend setting the Hot-Plug Surprise in Slot Capabilities & therefore
we do not. The first time we noticed an issue with this patch was in test
automation which was power cycling the endpoints & injecting uncorrectable
errors to ensure our hosts are robust in the face of PCIe chaos & that they
will recover. Later we started to see other teams on other products
encountering the same bug in simpler cases where humans turn on and off
EP power for development purposes. Although we are not using Hot-Plug Surprise
we are often triggering DPC on the Surprise Down Uncorrectable Error when
we hit this Gen1 issue.

On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:14:13 +0100 Maciej W. Rozycki Wrote

For the quirk to trigger, the link has to be down and there has to be the
LBMS Link Status bit set from link management events as per the PCIe spec
while the link was previously up, and then both of that while rescanning
the PCIe device in question, so there's a lot of conditions to meet.

If there is nothing clearing the bit then why is there any expectation that
it wouldn't be set? We have 20/30/40 endpoints in a host that can be hot-removed,
hot-added at any point in time in any combination & its often the case that
the system uptime be hundreds of days. Eventually the bit will just become set
as a result of time and scale.

On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:14:13 +0100 Maciej W. Rozycki Wrote

The reason for this is safety: it's better to have a link run at 2.5GT/s
than not at all, and from the nature of the issue there is no guarantee
that if you remove the speed clamp, then the link won't go back into the
infinite retraining loop that the workaround is supposed to break.

I guess I don't really understand why it wouldn't be safe for every device
other than the ASMedia since they aren't the device that had the issue in the
first place. The main problem in my mind is the system doesn't actually have to
be retraining at all, it can occur the first time you replace a device or
power cycle the device or the first time the device goes into DPC & comes back.
If the quirk simply returned without doing anything when the ASMedia is not in the
allow-list it would make me more at ease. I can also imagine some other implementations
that would work well, but it doesn't seem correct that we could only give a single
opportunity to a device before forcing it to live at Gen1. Perhaps it should be
aware of the rate or a count or something...

I can only assume that there will be more systems that start to run into issues
with the patch as they strive to keep up with LTS & they exercise the hot-plug
path.