Re: [PATCH 0/3] KEXEC_SIG with appended signature

Hello,

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 05:34:01PM -0500, Nayna wrote:

On 11/16/21 04:53, Michal Suchánek wrote:

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On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 06:53:53PM -0500, Nayna wrote:

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On 11/12/21 03:30, Michal Suchánek wrote:

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Hello,

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 05:26:41PM -0500, Nayna wrote:

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On 11/8/21 07:05, Michal Suchánek wrote:

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Hello,

The other part is that distributions apply 'lockdown' patches that change
the security policy depending on secure boot status which were rejected
by upstream which only hook into the _SIG options, and not into the IMA_
options. Of course, I expect this to change when the IMA options are
universally available across architectures and the support picked up by
distributions.

Which brings the third point: IMA features vary across architectures,
and KEXEC_SIG is more common than IMA_KEXEC.

config/arm64/default:CONFIG_HAVE_IMA_KEXEC=y
config/ppc64le/default:CONFIG_HAVE_IMA_KEXEC=y

config/arm64/default:CONFIG_KEXEC_SIG=y
config/s390x/default:CONFIG_KEXEC_SIG=y
config/x86_64/default:CONFIG_KEXEC_SIG=y

KEXEC_SIG makes it much easier to get uniform features across
architectures.

Architectures use KEXEC_SIG vs IMA_KEXEC based on their requirement.
IMA_KEXEC is for the kernel images signed using sign-file (appended
signatures, not PECOFF), provides measurement along with verification, and

That's certainly not the case. S390 uses appended signatures with
KEXEC_SIG, arm64 uses PECOFF with both KEXEC_SIG and IMA_KEXEC.

Yes, S390 uses appended signature, but they also do not support
measurements.

On the other hand for arm64/x86, PECOFF works only with KEXEC_SIG. Look at
the KEXEC_IMAGE_VERIFY_SIG config dependencies in arch/arm64/Kconfig and
KEXEC_BZIMAGE_VERIFY_SIG config dependencies in arch/x86/Kconfig. Now, if
KEXEC_SIG is not enabled, then IMA appraisal policies are enforced if secure
boot is enabled, refer to security/integrity/ima_efi.c . IMA would fail
verification if kernel is not signed with module sig appended signatures or
signature verification fails.

In short, IMA is used to enforce the existence of a policy if secure boot is
enabled. If they don't support module sig appended signatures, by definition
it fails. Thus PECOFF doesn't work with both KEXEC_SIG and IMA_KEXEC, but
only with KEXEC_SIG.

Then IMA_KEXEC is a no-go. It is not supported on all architectures and
it principially cannot be supported because it does not support PECOFF
which is needed to boot the kernel on EFI platforms. To get feature
parity across architectures KEXEC_SIG is required.

I would not say "a no-go", it is based on user requirements.

The key takeaway from this discussion is that both KEXEC_SIG and IMA_KEXEC
support functionality with some small degree of overlap, and that
documenting the differences is needed.  This will help kernel consumers to
understand the difference and enable the appropriate functionality for their
environment.

Maybe I was not clear enough. If you happen to focus on an architecture
that supports IMA fully it's great.

My point of view is maintaining multiple architectures. Both end users
and people conecerend with security are rarely familiar with
architecture specifics. Portability of documentation and debugging
instructions across architectures is a concern.

IMA has large number of options with varying availablitily across
architectures for no apparent reason. The situation is complex and hard
to grasp.

In comparison the *_SIG options are widely available. The missing
support for KEXEC_SIG on POWER is trivial to add by cut&paste from s390.
With that all the documentation that exists already is also trivially
applicable to POWER. Any additional code cleanup is a bonus but not
really needed to enable the kexec lockdown on POWER.

Thanks

Michal