From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:09
Many UEFI Linux distributions boot using shim. The UEFI shim provides
what is called Machine Owner Keys (MOK). Shim uses both the UEFI Secure
Boot DB and MOK keys to validate the next step in the boot chain. The
MOK facility can be used to import user generated keys. These keys can
be used to sign an end-user development kernel build. When Linux boots,
pre-boot keys (both UEFI Secure Boot DB and MOK keys) get loaded in the
Linux .platform keyring.
Currently, pre-boot keys are not trusted within the Linux trust boundary
[1]. These platform keys can only be used for kexec. If an end-user
wants to use their own key within the Linux trust boundary, they must
either compile it into the kernel themselves or use the insert-sys-cert
script. Both options present a problem. Many end-users do not want to
compile their own kernels. With the insert-sys-cert option, there are
missing upstream changes [2]. Also, with the insert-sys-cert option,
the end-user must re-sign their kernel again with their own key, and
then insert that key into the MOK db. Another problem with
insert-sys-cert is that only a single key can be inserted into a
compressed kernel.
Having the ability to insert a key into the Linux trust boundary opens
up various possibilities. The end-user can use a pre-built kernel and
sign their own kernel modules. It also opens up the ability for an
end-user to more easily use digital signature based IMA-appraisal. To
get a key into the ima keyring, it must be signed by a key within the
Linux trust boundary.
Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
architecture. Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
ways. Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing. These
kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.
This variable allows the end-user to decide if they want to trust keys
enrolled in the MOK within the Linux trust boundary. By default,
nothing changes; MOK keys are not trusted within the Linux kernel. They
are only trusted after the end-user makes the decision themselves. The
end-user would set this through mokutil using a new --trust-mok option
[3]. This would work similar to how the kernel uses MOK variables to
enable/disable signature validation as well as use/ignore the db.
When shim boots, it mirrors the new MokTML Boot Services variable to a
new MokListTrustedRT Runtime Services variable and extends PCR14.
MokListTrustedRT is written without EFI_VARIABLE_NON_VOLATILE set,
preventing an end-user from setting it after booting and doing a kexec.
When the kernel boots, if MokListTrustedRT is set and
EFI_VARIABLE_NON_VOLATILE is not set, the MokListRT is loaded into the
mok keyring instead of the platform keyring. Mimi has suggested that
only CA keys be loaded into this keyring. All other certs will load
into the platform keyring instead.
The .mok keyring contains a new keyring permission that only allows CA
keys to be loaded. If the permission fails, the key is later loaded into
the platform keyring. After all keys are added into the .mok keyring,
they are linked to the secondary trusted keyring. After the link is
created, keys contained in the .mok keyring will automatically be
searched when searching the secondary trusted keys.
Secure Boot keys will never be trusted. They will always be loaded into
the platform keyring. If an end-user wanted to trust one, they would
need to enroll it into the MOK.
I have included links to both the mokutil [3] and shim [4] changes I
have made to support this new functionality.
V2 changes:
- The .mok keyring persists past boot
- Removed the unrestricted move into the secondary keyring
- Removed the keyring move bypass patch
- Added restrictions to allow the .mok to be linked to either the
builtin or secondary keyrings
- Secondary keyring dependency has been removed
V3 changes:
- Only CA keys contained in the MOKList are loaded, nothing else
- Support for kernels built without the secondary trusted keyring
has been dropped.
V4 changes:
- Add new Kconfig INTEGRITY_MOK_KEYRING and move all mok keyring
code behind it
- Changed patch series ordering
- Consolidated a few patches
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1556221605.24945.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/cover/902768/
[3] https://github.com/esnowberg/mokutil/tree/0.3.0-mokvars-v2
[4] https://github.com/esnowberg/shim/tree/mokvars-v2
Eric Snowberg (12):
integrity: Introduce a Linux keyring for the Machine Owner Key (MOK)
integrity: Do not allow mok keyring updates following init
KEYS: CA link restriction
integrity: restrict INTEGRITY_KEYRING_MOK to restrict_link_by_ca
integrity: add new keyring handler for mok keys
KEYS: add a reference to mok keyring
KEYS: Introduce link restriction to include builtin, secondary and mok
keys
KEYS: integrity: change link restriction to trust the mok keyring
KEYS: link secondary_trusted_keys to mok trusted keys
integrity: store reference to mok keyring
integrity: Trust MOK keys if MokListTrustedRT found
integrity: Only use mok keyring when uefi_check_trust_mok_keys is true
certs/system_keyring.c | 40 ++++++++-
crypto/asymmetric_keys/restrict.c | 40 +++++++++
include/crypto/public_key.h | 5 ++
include/keys/system_keyring.h | 14 +++
security/integrity/Kconfig | 11 +++
security/integrity/Makefile | 1 +
security/integrity/digsig.c | 18 +++-
security/integrity/integrity.h | 17 +++-
.../platform_certs/keyring_handler.c | 17 +++-
.../platform_certs/keyring_handler.h | 5 ++
security/integrity/platform_certs/load_uefi.c | 4 +-
.../integrity/platform_certs/mok_keyring.c | 85 +++++++++++++++++++
12 files changed, 249 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
create mode 100644 security/integrity/platform_certs/mok_keyring.c
base-commit: 7c60610d476766e128cc4284bb6349732cbd6606
--
2.18.4
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:12
Add a new link restriction. Restrict the addition of keys in a keyring
based on the key to be added being a CA (self-signed).
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v1: Initial version
v2: Removed secondary keyring references
v3: Removed restrict_link_by_system_trusted_or_ca
Simplify restrict_link_by_ca - only see if the key is a CA
Did not add __init in front of restrict_link_by_ca in case
restriction could be resued in the future
v4: Unmodified from v3
---
crypto/asymmetric_keys/restrict.c | 40 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
include/crypto/public_key.h | 5 ++++
2 files changed, 45 insertions(+)
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:20
Expose the .mok keyring created in integrity code by adding
a reference. This makes the mok keyring accessible for keyring
restrictions in the future.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v2: Initial version
v3: set_mok_trusted_keys only available when secondary is enabled
v4: Moved code under CONFIG_INTEGRITY_MOK_KEYRING
---
certs/system_keyring.c | 9 +++++++++
include/keys/system_keyring.h | 8 ++++++++
2 files changed, 17 insertions(+)
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:25
Introduce a new link restriction that includes the trusted builtin,
secondary and mok keys. The restriction is based on the key to be added
being vouched for by a key in any of these three keyrings.
Suggested-by: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v3: Initial version
v4: moved code under CONFIG_INTEGRITY_MOK_KEYRING
---
certs/system_keyring.c | 23 +++++++++++++++++++++++
include/keys/system_keyring.h | 6 ++++++
2 files changed, 29 insertions(+)
@@ -99,6 +99,29 @@ void __init set_mok_trusted_keys(struct key *keyring){mok_trusted_keys=keyring;}++/**+*restrict_link_by_builtin_secondary_and_ca_trusted+*+*Restricttheadditionofkeysintoakeyringbasedonthekey-to-be-added+*beingvouchedforbyakeyineitherthebuilt-in,thesecondary,or+*themokkeyrings.+*/+intrestrict_link_by_builtin_secondary_and_ca_trusted(+structkey*dest_keyring,+conststructkey_type*type,+constunionkey_payload*payload,+structkey*restrict_key)+{+if(mok_trusted_keys&&type==&key_type_keyring&&+dest_keyring==secondary_trusted_keys&&+payload==&mok_trusted_keys->payload)+/* Allow the mok keyring to be added to the secondary */+return0;++returnrestrict_link_by_builtin_and_secondary_trusted(dest_keyring,type,+payload,restrict_key);+}#endif/*
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:28
Currently both Secure Boot DB and Machine Owner Keys (MOK) go through
the same keyring handler (get_handler_for_db). With the addition of the
new mok keyring, the end-user may choose to trust MOK keys.
Introduce a new keyring handler specific for mok keys. If mok keys are
trusted by the end-user, use the new keyring handler instead.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v1: Initial version
v3: Only change the keyring handler if the secondary is enabled
v4: Removed trust_moklist check
---
.../integrity/platform_certs/keyring_handler.c | 17 ++++++++++++++++-
.../integrity/platform_certs/keyring_handler.h | 5 +++++
security/integrity/platform_certs/load_uefi.c | 4 ++--
3 files changed, 23 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
@@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ static int __init load_moklist_certs(void)rc=parse_efi_signature_list("UEFI:MokListRT (MOKvar table)",mokvar_entry->data,mokvar_entry->data_size,-get_handler_for_db);+get_handler_for_mok);/* All done if that worked. */if(!rc)returnrc;
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:33
Many UEFI Linux distributions boot using shim. The UEFI shim provides
what is called Machine Owner Keys (MOK). Shim uses both the UEFI Secure
Boot DB and MOK keys to validate the next step in the boot chain. The
MOK facility can be used to import user generated keys. These keys can
be used to sign an end-users development kernel build. When Linux
boots, both UEFI Secure Boot DB and MOK keys get loaded in the Linux
.platform keyring.
Add a new Linux keyring called .mok. This keyring shall contain just
MOK CA keys and not the remaining keys in the platform keyring. This new
.mok keyring will be used in follow on patches. Unlike keys in the
platform keyring, keys contained in the .mok keyring will be trusted
within the kernel if the end-user has chosen to do so.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v1: Initial version
v2: Removed destory keyring code
v3: Unmodified from v2
v4: Add Kconfig, merged in "integrity: add add_to_mok_keyring"
---
security/integrity/Kconfig | 11 +++++
security/integrity/Makefile | 1 +
security/integrity/digsig.c | 1 +
security/integrity/integrity.h | 12 +++++-
.../integrity/platform_certs/mok_keyring.c | 42 +++++++++++++++++++
5 files changed, 66 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
create mode 100644 security/integrity/platform_certs/mok_keyring.c
@@ -62,6 +62,17 @@ config INTEGRITY_PLATFORM_KEYRINGprovidedbytheplatformforverifyingthekexec'edkernedimageand,possibly,theinitramfssignature.+configINTEGRITY_MOK_KEYRING+bool"Provide a keyring to which CA Machine Owner Keys may be added"+depends onSECONDARY_TRUSTED_KEYRING+depends onINTEGRITY_ASYMMETRIC_KEYS+depends onSYSTEM_BLACKLIST_KEYRING+help+Ifset,provideakeyringtowhichCAMachineOwnerKeys(MOK)may+beadded.ThiskeyringshallcontainjustCAMOKkeys.Unlikekeys+intheplatformkeyring,keyscontainedinthe.mokkeyringwillbe+trustedwithinthekernel.+configLOAD_UEFI_KEYSdepends onINTEGRITY_PLATFORM_KEYRINGdepends onEFI
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:36
With the introduction of the mok keyring, the end-user may choose to
trust Machine Owner Keys (MOK) within the kernel. If they have chosen to
trust them, the .mok keyring will contain these keys. If not, the mok
keyring will always be empty. Update the restriction check to allow the
secondary trusted keyring and ima keyring to also trust mok keys.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v4: Initial version (consolidated two previous patches)
---
certs/system_keyring.c | 5 ++++-
security/integrity/digsig.c | 4 ++++
2 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:45
Set the restriction check for INTEGRITY_KEYRING_MOK keys to
restrict_link_by_ca. This will only allow CA keys into the mok
keyring.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v1: Initial version
v2: Added !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_INTEGRITY_TRUSTED_KEYRING check so mok
keyring gets created even when it isn't enabled
v3: Rename restrict_link_by_system_trusted_or_ca to restrict_link_by_ca
v4: removed unnecessary restriction->check set
---
security/integrity/digsig.c | 8 ++++++--
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
@@ -132,14 +132,18 @@ int __init integrity_init_keyring(const unsigned int id)gotoout;}-if(!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_INTEGRITY_TRUSTED_KEYRING))+if(!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_INTEGRITY_TRUSTED_KEYRING)&&id!=INTEGRITY_KEYRING_MOK)return0;restriction=kzalloc(sizeof(structkey_restriction),GFP_KERNEL);if(!restriction)return-ENOMEM;-restriction->check=restrict_link_to_ima;+if(id==INTEGRITY_KEYRING_MOK)+restriction->check=restrict_link_by_ca;+else+restriction->check=restrict_link_to_ima;+if(id!=INTEGRITY_KEYRING_MOK)perm|=KEY_USR_WRITE;
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:47
The mok keyring is setup during init. No additional keys should be allowed
to be added afterwards. Leave the permission as read only.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v2: Initial version
v4: Unmodified from v2
---
security/integrity/digsig.c | 3 ++-
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
@@ -140,7 +140,8 @@ int __init integrity_init_keyring(const unsigned int id)return-ENOMEM;restriction->check=restrict_link_to_ima;-perm|=KEY_USR_WRITE;+if(id!=INTEGRITY_KEYRING_MOK)+perm|=KEY_USR_WRITE;out:return__integrity_init_keyring(id,perm,restriction);
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:50
Allow the .mok keyring to be linked to the secondary_trusted_keys. After
the link is created, keys contained in the .mok keyring will automatically
be searched when searching secondary_trusted_keys.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v3: Initial version
v4: Unmodified from v3
---
certs/system_keyring.c | 3 +++
1 file changed, 3 insertions(+)
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:53
Store a reference to the mok keyring in system keyring code. The
system keyring code needs this to complete the keyring link to
to mok keyring.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v2: Initial version
v3: Unmodified from v2
v4: Removed trust_moklist check
---
security/integrity/digsig.c | 2 ++
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:22:57
A new Machine Owner Key (MOK) variable called MokListTrustedRT has been
introduced in shim. When this UEFI variable is set, it indicates the
end-user has made the decision themself that they wish to trust MOK keys
within the Linux trust boundary. It is not an error if this variable
does not exist. If it does not exist, the MOK keys should not be trusted
within the kernel.
MOK variables are mirrored from Boot Services to Runtime Services. When
shim sees the new MokTML BS variable, it will create a new variable
(before Exit Boot Services is called) called MokListTrustedRT without
EFI_VARIABLE_NON_VOLATILE set. Following Exit Boot Services, UEFI
variables can only be set and created with SetVariable if both
EFI_VARIABLE_RUNTIME_ACCESS & EFI_VARIABLE_NON_VOLATILE are set.
Therefore, this can not be defeated by simply creating a
MokListTrustedRT variable from Linux, the existence of
EFI_VARIABLE_NON_VOLATILE will cause uefi_check_trust_mok_keys to return
false.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v1: Initial version
v2: Removed mok_keyring_trust_setup function
v4: Unmodified from v2
---
.../integrity/platform_certs/mok_keyring.c | 27 +++++++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 27 insertions(+)
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 00:25:33
With the introduction of uefi_check_trust_mok_keys, it signifies the end-
user wants to trust the mok keyring as trusted keys. If they have chosen
to trust the mok keyring, load the qualifying keys into it during boot,
then link it to the secondary keyring . If the user has not chosen to
trust the mok keyring, it will be empty and not linked to the secondary
keyring.
Signed-off-by: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
---
v4: Initial version
---
security/integrity/digsig.c | 2 +-
security/integrity/integrity.h | 5 +++++
.../integrity/platform_certs/keyring_handler.c | 2 +-
security/integrity/platform_certs/mok_keyring.c | 16 ++++++++++++++++
4 files changed, 23 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> Date: 2021-08-19 11:38:11
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
Many UEFI Linux distributions boot using shim. The UEFI shim provides
what is called Machine Owner Keys (MOK). Shim uses both the UEFI Secure
Boot DB and MOK keys to validate the next step in the boot chain. The
MOK facility can be used to import user generated keys. These keys can
be used to sign an end-user development kernel build. When Linux boots,
pre-boot keys (both UEFI Secure Boot DB and MOK keys) get loaded in the
Linux .platform keyring.
Currently, pre-boot keys are not trusted within the Linux trust boundary
[1]. These platform keys can only be used for kexec. If an end-user
wants to use their own key within the Linux trust boundary, they must
either compile it into the kernel themselves or use the insert-sys-cert
script. Both options present a problem. Many end-users do not want to
compile their own kernels. With the insert-sys-cert option, there are
missing upstream changes [2]. Also, with the insert-sys-cert option,
the end-user must re-sign their kernel again with their own key, and
then insert that key into the MOK db. Another problem with
insert-sys-cert is that only a single key can be inserted into a
compressed kernel.
Having the ability to insert a key into the Linux trust boundary opens
up various possibilities. The end-user can use a pre-built kernel and
sign their own kernel modules. It also opens up the ability for an
end-user to more easily use digital signature based IMA-appraisal. To
get a key into the ima keyring, it must be signed by a key within the
Linux trust boundary.
As of today, I can use a prebuilt kernel, crate my own MOK key and sign
modules. What will be different?
Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
architecture. Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
ways. Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing. These
kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.
I would name it as ".machine" because it is more "re-usable" name, e.g.
could be used for similar things as MOK. ".mok" is a bad name because
it binds directly to a single piece of user space software.
/Jarkko
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 14:38 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
Many UEFI Linux distributions boot using shim. The UEFI shim provides
what is called Machine Owner Keys (MOK). Shim uses both the UEFI Secure
Boot DB and MOK keys to validate the next step in the boot chain. The
MOK facility can be used to import user generated keys. These keys can
be used to sign an end-user development kernel build. When Linux boots,
pre-boot keys (both UEFI Secure Boot DB and MOK keys) get loaded in the
Linux .platform keyring.
Currently, pre-boot keys are not trusted within the Linux trust boundary
[1]. These platform keys can only be used for kexec. If an end-user
wants to use their own key within the Linux trust boundary, they must
either compile it into the kernel themselves or use the insert-sys-cert
script. Both options present a problem. Many end-users do not want to
compile their own kernels. With the insert-sys-cert option, there are
missing upstream changes [2]. Also, with the insert-sys-cert option,
the end-user must re-sign their kernel again with their own key, and
then insert that key into the MOK db. Another problem with
insert-sys-cert is that only a single key can be inserted into a
compressed kernel.
Having the ability to insert a key into the Linux trust boundary opens
up various possibilities. The end-user can use a pre-built kernel and
sign their own kernel modules. It also opens up the ability for an
end-user to more easily use digital signature based IMA-appraisal. To
get a key into the ima keyring, it must be signed by a key within the
Linux trust boundary.
As of today, I can use a prebuilt kernel, crate my own MOK key and sign
modules. What will be different?
The UEFI db and MOK keys are being loaded onto the .platform keyring,
which is suppose to be limited to verifying the kexec kernel image
signature. With a downstream patch, kernel modules are being verified
as well.
Initially Patrick Uiterwijk's "[PATCH 0/3] Load keys from TPM2 NV Index
on IMA keyring" patch set attempted to define a new root of trust based
on a key stored in the TPM. This patch set is similarly attempting to
define a new root of trust based on CA keys stored in the MOK db.
The purpose of this patch set is to define a new, safe trust source
parallel to the builtin keyring, without relying on a downstream patch.
With the new root of trust, the end user could sign his own kernel
modules, sign third party keys, and load keys onto the IMA keyring,
which can be used for signing the IMA policy and other files.
quoted
Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
architecture. Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
ways. Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing. These
kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.
I would name it as ".machine" because it is more "re-usable" name, e.g.
could be used for similar things as MOK. ".mok" is a bad name because
it binds directly to a single piece of user space software.
Nayna previously said,
"I believe the underlying source from where CA keys are loaded might vary
based on the architecture (".mok" is UEFI specific.). The key part is
that this new keyring should contain only CA keys which can be later
used to vouch for user keys loaded onto IMA or secondary keyring at
runtime. It would be good to have a "ca" in the name, like .xxxx-ca,
where xxxx can be machine, owner, or system. I prefer .system-ca."
The CA keys on the MOK db is simply the first root of trust being
defined, but other roots of trust are sure to follow. For this reason,
I agree naming the new keyring "mok" should be avoided.
thanks,
Mimi
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-19 15:24:14
On Aug 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Mimi Zohar [off-list ref] wrote:
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 14:38 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
architecture. Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
ways. Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing. These
kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.
I would name it as ".machine" because it is more "re-usable" name, e.g.
could be used for similar things as MOK. ".mok" is a bad name because
it binds directly to a single piece of user space software.
Nayna previously said,
"I believe the underlying source from where CA keys are loaded might vary
based on the architecture (".mok" is UEFI specific.). The key part is
that this new keyring should contain only CA keys which can be later
used to vouch for user keys loaded onto IMA or secondary keyring at
runtime. It would be good to have a "ca" in the name, like .xxxx-ca,
where xxxx can be machine, owner, or system. I prefer .system-ca."
The CA keys on the MOK db is simply the first root of trust being
defined, but other roots of trust are sure to follow. For this reason,
I agree naming the new keyring "mok" should be avoided.
As I said previously, I’m open to renaming, I just would like to have an
agreement on the new name before changing everything. The current proposed
names I have heard are “.machine" and ".system-ca". Is there a preference
the maintainers feel is appropriate? If so, please let me know and I’ll
rename it. Thanks.
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 09:23 -0600, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
On Aug 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Mimi Zohar [off-list ref] wrote:
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 14:38 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
architecture. Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
ways. Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing. These
kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.
I would name it as ".machine" because it is more "re-usable" name, e.g.
could be used for similar things as MOK. ".mok" is a bad name because
it binds directly to a single piece of user space software.
Nayna previously said,
"I believe the underlying source from where CA keys are loaded might vary
based on the architecture (".mok" is UEFI specific.). The key part is
that this new keyring should contain only CA keys which can be later
used to vouch for user keys loaded onto IMA or secondary keyring at
runtime. It would be good to have a "ca" in the name, like .xxxx-ca,
where xxxx can be machine, owner, or system. I prefer .system-ca."
The CA keys on the MOK db is simply the first root of trust being
defined, but other roots of trust are sure to follow. For this reason,
I agree naming the new keyring "mok" should be avoided.
As I said previously, I’m open to renaming, I just would like to have an
agreement on the new name before changing everything. The current proposed
names I have heard are “.machine" and ".system-ca". Is there a preference
the maintainers feel is appropriate? If so, please let me know and I’ll
rename it. Thanks.
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from Machine
Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is focusing more on the
"_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps consider naming it
"system_owner_ca" or something along those lines.
thanks,
Mimi
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> Date: 2021-08-23 17:36:02
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 09:10 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 14:38 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
Many UEFI Linux distributions boot using shim. The UEFI shim provides
what is called Machine Owner Keys (MOK). Shim uses both the UEFI Secure
Boot DB and MOK keys to validate the next step in the boot chain. The
MOK facility can be used to import user generated keys. These keys can
be used to sign an end-user development kernel build. When Linux boots,
pre-boot keys (both UEFI Secure Boot DB and MOK keys) get loaded in the
Linux .platform keyring.
Currently, pre-boot keys are not trusted within the Linux trust boundary
[1]. These platform keys can only be used for kexec. If an end-user
wants to use their own key within the Linux trust boundary, they must
either compile it into the kernel themselves or use the insert-sys-cert
script. Both options present a problem. Many end-users do not want to
compile their own kernels. With the insert-sys-cert option, there are
missing upstream changes [2]. Also, with the insert-sys-cert option,
the end-user must re-sign their kernel again with their own key, and
then insert that key into the MOK db. Another problem with
insert-sys-cert is that only a single key can be inserted into a
compressed kernel.
Having the ability to insert a key into the Linux trust boundary opens
up various possibilities. The end-user can use a pre-built kernel and
sign their own kernel modules. It also opens up the ability for an
end-user to more easily use digital signature based IMA-appraisal. To
get a key into the ima keyring, it must be signed by a key within the
Linux trust boundary.
As of today, I can use a prebuilt kernel, crate my own MOK key and sign
modules. What will be different?
The UEFI db and MOK keys are being loaded onto the .platform keyring,
which is suppose to be limited to verifying the kexec kernel image
signature. With a downstream patch, kernel modules are being verified
as well.
Initially Patrick Uiterwijk's "[PATCH 0/3] Load keys from TPM2 NV Index
on IMA keyring" patch set attempted to define a new root of trust based
on a key stored in the TPM. This patch set is similarly attempting to
define a new root of trust based on CA keys stored in the MOK db.
The purpose of this patch set is to define a new, safe trust source
parallel to the builtin keyring, without relying on a downstream patch.
With the new root of trust, the end user could sign his own kernel
modules, sign third party keys, and load keys onto the IMA keyring,
which can be used for signing the IMA policy and other files.
I can, as of today, generate my own mok key and sign my LKM's, and
kernel will verify my LKM's.
What is different?
/Jarkko
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> Date: 2021-08-23 17:37:47
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 09:23 -0600, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
On Aug 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Mimi Zohar [off-list ref] wrote:
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 14:38 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
architecture. Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
ways. Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing. These
kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.
I would name it as ".machine" because it is more "re-usable" name, e.g.
could be used for similar things as MOK. ".mok" is a bad name because
it binds directly to a single piece of user space software.
Nayna previously said,
"I believe the underlying source from where CA keys are loaded might vary
based on the architecture (".mok" is UEFI specific.). The key part is
that this new keyring should contain only CA keys which can be later
used to vouch for user keys loaded onto IMA or secondary keyring at
runtime. It would be good to have a "ca" in the name, like .xxxx-ca,
where xxxx can be machine, owner, or system. I prefer .system-ca."
The CA keys on the MOK db is simply the first root of trust being
defined, but other roots of trust are sure to follow. For this reason,
I agree naming the new keyring "mok" should be avoided.
As I said previously, I’m open to renaming, I just would like to have an
agreement on the new name before changing everything. The current proposed
names I have heard are “.machine" and ".system-ca". Is there a preference
the maintainers feel is appropriate? If so, please let me know and I’ll
rename it. Thanks.
Just ".system" would be good. It's informative enough.
/Jarkko
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-23 17:49:15
On Aug 23, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen [off-list ref] wrote:
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 09:10 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
quoted
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 14:38 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
Many UEFI Linux distributions boot using shim. The UEFI shim provides
what is called Machine Owner Keys (MOK). Shim uses both the UEFI Secure
Boot DB and MOK keys to validate the next step in the boot chain. The
MOK facility can be used to import user generated keys. These keys can
be used to sign an end-user development kernel build. When Linux boots,
pre-boot keys (both UEFI Secure Boot DB and MOK keys) get loaded in the
Linux .platform keyring.
Currently, pre-boot keys are not trusted within the Linux trust boundary
[1]. These platform keys can only be used for kexec. If an end-user
wants to use their own key within the Linux trust boundary, they must
either compile it into the kernel themselves or use the insert-sys-cert
script. Both options present a problem. Many end-users do not want to
compile their own kernels. With the insert-sys-cert option, there are
missing upstream changes [2]. Also, with the insert-sys-cert option,
the end-user must re-sign their kernel again with their own key, and
then insert that key into the MOK db. Another problem with
insert-sys-cert is that only a single key can be inserted into a
compressed kernel.
Having the ability to insert a key into the Linux trust boundary opens
up various possibilities. The end-user can use a pre-built kernel and
sign their own kernel modules. It also opens up the ability for an
end-user to more easily use digital signature based IMA-appraisal. To
get a key into the ima keyring, it must be signed by a key within the
Linux trust boundary.
As of today, I can use a prebuilt kernel, crate my own MOK key and sign
modules. What will be different?
The UEFI db and MOK keys are being loaded onto the .platform keyring,
which is suppose to be limited to verifying the kexec kernel image
signature. With a downstream patch, kernel modules are being verified
as well.
Initially Patrick Uiterwijk's "[PATCH 0/3] Load keys from TPM2 NV Index
on IMA keyring" patch set attempted to define a new root of trust based
on a key stored in the TPM. This patch set is similarly attempting to
define a new root of trust based on CA keys stored in the MOK db.
The purpose of this patch set is to define a new, safe trust source
parallel to the builtin keyring, without relying on a downstream patch.
With the new root of trust, the end user could sign his own kernel
modules, sign third party keys, and load keys onto the IMA keyring,
which can be used for signing the IMA policy and other files.
I can, as of today, generate my own mok key and sign my LKM's, and
kernel will verify my LKM's.
What is different?
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> Date: 2021-08-23 17:51:58
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 13:32 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 09:23 -0600, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
quoted
On Aug 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Mimi Zohar [off-list ref] wrote:
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 14:38 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
architecture. Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
ways. Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing. These
kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.
I would name it as ".machine" because it is more "re-usable" name, e.g.
could be used for similar things as MOK. ".mok" is a bad name because
it binds directly to a single piece of user space software.
Nayna previously said,
"I believe the underlying source from where CA keys are loaded might vary
based on the architecture (".mok" is UEFI specific.). The key part is
that this new keyring should contain only CA keys which can be later
used to vouch for user keys loaded onto IMA or secondary keyring at
runtime. It would be good to have a "ca" in the name, like .xxxx-ca,
where xxxx can be machine, owner, or system. I prefer .system-ca."
The CA keys on the MOK db is simply the first root of trust being
defined, but other roots of trust are sure to follow. For this reason,
I agree naming the new keyring "mok" should be avoided.
As I said previously, I’m open to renaming, I just would like to have an
agreement on the new name before changing everything. The current proposed
names I have heard are “.machine" and ".system-ca". Is there a preference
the maintainers feel is appropriate? If so, please let me know and I’ll
rename it. Thanks.
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from Machine
Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is focusing more on the
"_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps consider naming it
"system_owner_ca" or something along those lines.
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense. What
is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
/Jarkko
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 13:32 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
quoted
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 09:23 -0600, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
quoted
On Aug 19, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Mimi Zohar [off-list ref] wrote:
On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 14:38 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
architecture. Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
ways. Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing. These
kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.
I would name it as ".machine" because it is more "re-usable" name, e.g.
could be used for similar things as MOK. ".mok" is a bad name because
it binds directly to a single piece of user space software.
Nayna previously said,
"I believe the underlying source from where CA keys are loaded might vary
based on the architecture (".mok" is UEFI specific.). The key part is
that this new keyring should contain only CA keys which can be later
used to vouch for user keys loaded onto IMA or secondary keyring at
runtime. It would be good to have a "ca" in the name, like .xxxx-ca,
where xxxx can be machine, owner, or system. I prefer .system-ca."
The CA keys on the MOK db is simply the first root of trust being
defined, but other roots of trust are sure to follow. For this reason,
I agree naming the new keyring "mok" should be avoided.
As I said previously, I’m open to renaming, I just would like to have an
agreement on the new name before changing everything. The current proposed
names I have heard are “.machine" and ".system-ca". Is there a preference
the maintainers feel is appropriate? If so, please let me know and I’ll
rename it. Thanks.
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from Machine
Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is focusing more on the
"_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps consider naming it
"system_owner_ca" or something along those lines.
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense. What
is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
As I mentioned previously, the main usage of this new keyring is that it
should contain only CA keys which can be later used to vouch for user
keys loaded onto secondary or IMA keyring at runtime. Having ca in the
name like .xxxx_ca, would make the keyring name self-describing. Since
you preferred .system, we can call it .system_ca.
Thanks & Regards,
- Nayna
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from Machine
Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is focusing more on the
"_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps consider naming it
"system_owner_ca" or something along those lines.
quoted
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense. What
is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
As I mentioned previously, the main usage of this new keyring is that it
should contain only CA keys which can be later used to vouch for user
keys loaded onto secondary or IMA keyring at runtime. Having ca in the
name like .xxxx_ca, would make the keyring name self-describing. Since
you preferred .system, we can call it .system_ca.
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> Date: 2021-08-25 22:21:46
On Tue, 2021-08-24 at 10:34 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
quoted
quoted
quoted
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from Machine
Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is focusing more on the
"_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps consider naming it
"system_owner_ca" or something along those lines.
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense. What
is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
As I mentioned previously, the main usage of this new keyring is that it
should contain only CA keys which can be later used to vouch for user
keys loaded onto secondary or IMA keyring at runtime. Having ca in the
name like .xxxx_ca, would make the keyring name self-describing. Since
you preferred .system, we can call it .system_ca.
Sounds good to me. Jarkko?
thanks,
Mimi
I just wonder what you exactly gain with "_ca"?
/Jarkko
From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> Date: 2021-08-25 22:27:24
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 01:21 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
On Tue, 2021-08-24 at 10:34 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
quoted
quoted
quoted
quoted
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from
Machine Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is
focusing more on the "_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps
consider naming it "system_owner_ca" or something along those
lines.
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense.
What is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
As I mentioned previously, the main usage of this new keyring is
that it should contain only CA keys which can be later used to
vouch for user keys loaded onto secondary or IMA keyring at
runtime. Having ca in the name like .xxxx_ca, would make the
keyring name self-describing. Since you preferred .system, we can
call it .system_ca.
Sounds good to me. Jarkko?
thanks,
Mimi
I just wonder what you exactly gain with "_ca"?
Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
James
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 01:21 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Tue, 2021-08-24 at 10:34 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
quoted
quoted
quoted
quoted
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from
Machine Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is
focusing more on the "_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps
consider naming it "system_owner_ca" or something along those
lines.
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense.
What is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
As I mentioned previously, the main usage of this new keyring is
that it should contain only CA keys which can be later used to
vouch for user keys loaded onto secondary or IMA keyring at
runtime. Having ca in the name like .xxxx_ca, would make the
keyring name self-describing. Since you preferred .system, we can
call it .system_ca.
Sounds good to me. Jarkko?
thanks,
Mimi
I just wonder what you exactly gain with "_ca"?
Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
My understanding is the .system_ca keyring should not be restricted only
to self-signed CAs (Root CA). Any cert that can qualify as Root or
Intermediate CA with Basic Constraints CA:TRUE should be allowed. In
fact, the intermediate CA certificates closest to the leaf nodes would
be best.
Thanks for bringing up that adding the _ca suffix may deflect some of
the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the keyring" emails.
Thanks & Regards,
- Nayna
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-08-30 17:40:56
On Aug 27, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Nayna [off-list ref] wrote:
On 8/25/21 6:27 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
quoted
Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
My understanding is the .system_ca keyring should not be restricted only
to self-signed CAs (Root CA). Any cert that can qualify as Root or
Intermediate CA with Basic Constraints CA:TRUE should be allowed. In
fact, the intermediate CA certificates closest to the leaf nodes would be
best.
With an intermediate containing CA:TRUE, the intermediate cert would not
be self signed. Just for my clarification, does this mean I should remove
the check that validates if it is self signed and instead somehow check if
the CA flag is set? Wouldn’t this potentially allow improperly signed certs
into this new keyring?
On Aug 27, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Nayna [off-list ref] wrote:
On 8/25/21 6:27 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
quoted
Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
My understanding is the .system_ca keyring should not be restricted only
to self-signed CAs (Root CA). Any cert that can qualify as Root or
Intermediate CA with Basic Constraints CA:TRUE should be allowed. In
fact, the intermediate CA certificates closest to the leaf nodes would be
best.
With an intermediate containing CA:TRUE, the intermediate cert would not
be self signed. Just for my clarification, does this mean I should remove
the check that validates if it is self signed and instead somehow check if
the CA flag is set? Wouldn’t this potentially allow improperly signed certs
into this new keyring?
In this model, we are relying on the admin to ensure the authenticity of
the certificate(s) being loaded onto the new keyring. It is similar to
trusting the admin to enable the variable and add keys to MOK. Following
are the checks that must pass before adding it to .system_ca keyring.
1. Check against revocation_list.
2. Check Basic Constraints: CA=TRUE.
3. Check keyUsage = keyCertSign.
Thanks & Regards,
- Nayna
From: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com> Date: 2021-09-01 01:52:40
On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:52 PM, Nayna [off-list ref] wrote:
On 8/30/21 1:39 PM, Eric Snowberg wrote:
quoted
quoted
On Aug 27, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Nayna [off-list ref] wrote:
On 8/25/21 6:27 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
quoted
Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
My understanding is the .system_ca keyring should not be restricted only
to self-signed CAs (Root CA). Any cert that can qualify as Root or
Intermediate CA with Basic Constraints CA:TRUE should be allowed. In
fact, the intermediate CA certificates closest to the leaf nodes would be
best.
With an intermediate containing CA:TRUE, the intermediate cert would not
be self signed. Just for my clarification, does this mean I should remove
the check that validates if it is self signed and instead somehow check if
the CA flag is set? Wouldn’t this potentially allow improperly signed certs
into this new keyring?
In this model, we are relying on the admin to ensure the authenticity of the certificate(s) being loaded onto the new keyring. It is similar to trusting the admin to enable the variable and add keys to MOK. Following are the checks that must pass before adding it to .system_ca keyring.
1. Check against revocation_list.
2. Check Basic Constraints: CA=TRUE.
3. Check keyUsage = keyCertSign.
Originally I thought the request to only load CA certs into this new keyring
was so root of trust could be validated for the entire chain. If a portion
of the model now relies on the admin to ensure authenticity, and the complete
chain is not needed, why not have the admin also check for #2 and #3? Meaning,
when the Kconfig option is enabled and the new MokListTrustedRT UEFI is set,
whatever the admin has placed in the MOKList goes into this new keyring.
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> Date: 2021-09-01 04:34:48
On Fri, 2021-08-27 at 16:44 -0400, Nayna wrote:
On 8/25/21 6:27 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
quoted
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 01:21 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Tue, 2021-08-24 at 10:34 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
quoted
quoted
quoted
quoted
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from
Machine Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is
focusing more on the "_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps
consider naming it "system_owner_ca" or something along those
lines.
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense.
What is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
As I mentioned previously, the main usage of this new keyring is
that it should contain only CA keys which can be later used to
vouch for user keys loaded onto secondary or IMA keyring at
runtime. Having ca in the name like .xxxx_ca, would make the
keyring name self-describing. Since you preferred .system, we can
call it .system_ca.
Sounds good to me. Jarkko?
thanks,
Mimi
I just wonder what you exactly gain with "_ca"?
Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
My understanding is the .system_ca keyring should not be restricted only
to self-signed CAs (Root CA). Any cert that can qualify as Root or
Intermediate CA with Basic Constraints CA:TRUE should be allowed. In
fact, the intermediate CA certificates closest to the leaf nodes would
be best.
Thanks for bringing up that adding the _ca suffix may deflect some of
the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the keyring" emails.
What the heck is the pragamatic gain of adding such a suffix? Makes
zero sense.
/Jarkko
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> Date: 2021-09-01 04:37:07
On Wed, 2021-09-01 at 07:34 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
On Fri, 2021-08-27 at 16:44 -0400, Nayna wrote:
quoted
On 8/25/21 6:27 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
quoted
On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 01:21 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
quoted
On Tue, 2021-08-24 at 10:34 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
quoted
quoted
quoted
quoted
Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from
Machine Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is
focusing more on the "_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps
consider naming it "system_owner_ca" or something along those
lines.
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense.
What is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
As I mentioned previously, the main usage of this new keyring is
that it should contain only CA keys which can be later used to
vouch for user keys loaded onto secondary or IMA keyring at
runtime. Having ca in the name like .xxxx_ca, would make the
keyring name self-describing. Since you preferred .system, we can
call it .system_ca.
Sounds good to me. Jarkko?
thanks,
Mimi
I just wonder what you exactly gain with "_ca"?
Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
My understanding is the .system_ca keyring should not be restricted only
to self-signed CAs (Root CA). Any cert that can qualify as Root or
Intermediate CA with Basic Constraints CA:TRUE should be allowed. In
fact, the intermediate CA certificates closest to the leaf nodes would
be best.
Thanks for bringing up that adding the _ca suffix may deflect some of
the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the keyring" emails.
What the heck is the pragamatic gain of adding such a suffix? Makes
zero sense
If this series needs both "system" and "system_ca" keyrings, then
there would be some sanity in this.
Also, I still *fully* lack understanding of the use of word system.
Why MOK is not SOK then??
/Jarkko
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> Date: 2021-09-01 04:47:03
On Wed, 2021-09-01 at 07:36 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
On Wed, 2021-09-01 at 07:34 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
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On Fri, 2021-08-27 at 16:44 -0400, Nayna wrote:
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On 8/25/21 6:27 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
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On Thu, 2021-08-26 at 01:21 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
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On Tue, 2021-08-24 at 10:34 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
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Jarkko, I think the emphasis should not be on "machine" from
Machine Owner Key (MOK), but on "owner". Whereas Nayna is
focusing more on the "_ca" aspect of the name. Perhaps
consider naming it "system_owner_ca" or something along those
lines.
What do you gain such overly long identifier? Makes no sense.
What is "ca aspect of the name" anyway?
As I mentioned previously, the main usage of this new keyring is
that it should contain only CA keys which can be later used to
vouch for user keys loaded onto secondary or IMA keyring at
runtime. Having ca in the name like .xxxx_ca, would make the
keyring name self-describing. Since you preferred .system, we can
call it .system_ca.
Sounds good to me. Jarkko?
thanks,
Mimi
I just wonder what you exactly gain with "_ca"?
Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
My understanding is the .system_ca keyring should not be restricted only
to self-signed CAs (Root CA). Any cert that can qualify as Root or
Intermediate CA with Basic Constraints CA:TRUE should be allowed. In
fact, the intermediate CA certificates closest to the leaf nodes would
be best.
Thanks for bringing up that adding the _ca suffix may deflect some of
the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the keyring" emails.
What the heck is the pragamatic gain of adding such a suffix? Makes
zero sense
If this series needs both "system" and "system_ca" keyrings, then
there would be some sanity in this.
Also, I still *fully* lack understanding of the use of word system.
Why MOK is not SOK then??
Please just call it "machine". You have machines that hold the keyring.
"system" does not mean anything concrete. I don't know what a "system"
is.
/Jarkko
On Tue, 2021-08-31 at 19:51 -0600, Eric Snowberg wrote:
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On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:52 PM, Nayna [off-list ref] wrote:
On 8/30/21 1:39 PM, Eric Snowberg wrote:
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On Aug 27, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Nayna [off-list ref] wrote:
On 8/25/21 6:27 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
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Remember, a CA cert is a self signed cert with the CA:TRUE basic
constraint. Pretty much no secure boot key satisfies this (secure boot
chose deliberately NOT to use CA certificates, so they're all some type
of intermediate or leaf), so the design seems to be only to pick out
the CA certificates you put in the MOK keyring. Adding the _ca suffix
may deflect some of the "why aren't all my MOK certificates in the
keyring" emails ...
My understanding is the .system_ca keyring should not be restricted only
to self-signed CAs (Root CA). Any cert that can qualify as Root or
Intermediate CA with Basic Constraints CA:TRUE should be allowed. In
fact, the intermediate CA certificates closest to the leaf nodes would be
best.
With an intermediate containing CA:TRUE, the intermediate cert would not
be self signed. Just for my clarification, does this mean I should remove
the check that validates if it is self signed and instead somehow check if
the CA flag is set? Wouldn’t this potentially allow improperly signed certs
into this new keyring?
In this model, we are relying on the admin to ensure the authenticity of the certificate(s) being loaded onto the new keyring. It is similar to trusting the admin to enable the variable and add keys to MOK. Following are the checks that must pass before adding it to .system_ca keyring.
1. Check against revocation_list.
2. Check Basic Constraints: CA=TRUE.
3. Check keyUsage = keyCertSign.
Originally I thought the request to only load CA certs into this new keyring
was so root of trust could be validated for the entire chain. If a portion
of the model now relies on the admin to ensure authenticity, and the complete
chain is not needed, why not have the admin also check for #2 and #3? Meaning,
when the Kconfig option is enabled and the new MokListTrustedRT UEFI is set,
whatever the admin has placed in the MOKList goes into this new keyring.
The root of trust for the new "machine" keyring, at least in the UEFI
use case, is registering keys in the MOK db, which requires physical
presence. So we're trusting the MOK db, which means we're really
trusting both the admin and UEFI to do the right things. There is no
harm in verifying the CA assumption when loading the certs onto the
"machine" keyring.
From an IMA perspective, all that is needed to sign an IMA custom
policy and local code is the ability to load a single self-signed CA
certificate. So the self-signed CA restriction is fine. Obviously
other use cases are being discussed here. If the other use cases want
to relax the self-signed CA restriction to allow intermediary CA's, it
should be explicitly called out in a separate patch, with its own patch
description, providing the motivation.
thanks,
Mimi