On 9/9/2013 7:56 AM, Mathias Burén wrote:

On 9 September 2013 15:38, Jonathan Wilson [off-list ref] wrote:

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On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 13:50 +1000, Tudor Holton wrote:

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Completely anecdotal evidence, but I was mixing WD Reds and Seagates in
a QNAP RAID 6 each 3TB for a total of 6TB, and the Seagates kept making
sounds like they were about to hurl.  Testing each drive individually
with badblocks and smart came up with all drives OK.  But it kept
chucking the WDs one by one.  Eventually I removed the Seagates and
replaced them with WDs and since then no drives have been thrown out.

I can only theorise that there may be a timing issue between WD Reds and
Seagate.

I wonder if the vibrations of the Seagates was causing the reds to be
thrown?

 From what I've read (assuming I understand correctly) they are a low-ish
vibration drive with some fancy head positioning for alignment... but
should be limited to 5 at most, or at least are intended for upto 5
drive systems, so I wonder if this means that more than 5 could suffer
from vibrations throwing disks out?

All that said, I wonder just how sensitive drives are nowadays? While I
have heard of tales of old where someone sneezing in the computer room
would cause large raid clusters to pop I don't know how true they are or
how sensitive drives are to the accumulative vibrations of many disks or
if its more of a case that as the number of disks increases then the
statistical chance of a drive failing increases to the point that it is
more likely to happen in coincidence with an external event, such as a
sneeze.


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The sneeze story isn't true. Modern enterprise are sensitive, for
example some 24k RPM fans will cause drives to fail within time, but
12k fans won't (40mm).

However, if your room and your servers are normal, you've nothing to
worry about.

Mathias
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Sounds like what you guys are saying is that if I switch to the red, I 
need to replace all the seagate drives?

And it kind of sounds like they are overly touchy. I would expect them 
to be more immune to vibrations.

What I have is a 7' rack cabinet with a 2500w rack mount ups near the 
bottom. Above that a bit of space followed by a KBM switch and network 
switch. Then an HP laser printer on rails to pull it out for easier use. 
Above that a 4u case with my main computer which has 4 wd drives, ( 2 
160Gb and a 500Gb). Right above that is the linux vdr computer with the 
raid seagate drives.

And after mdadm fails a drive, it is bad. SMART and other programs 
report it so. mdadm hasn't failed this one yet, but it is just a matter 
of time. I get daily messages about the bad sectors.
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