Yes, I must have missed that. I've only been on the mailing list for a
week or so. I did go through some of the archives though. I keep my
kernel up to date, usually within a few days of a release. 

The 3ware and Areca cards sound nice, but I could buy quite a few drives
for the price of those cards (for a 12 port card). Which is what made me
start seriously considering software raid. Plus, from what I understand,
with software raid it is easier to change out server parts than it is
with hardware raid, i.e. swapping controllers or motherboard, etc.

After reading a few responses that I have gotten, it sounds like a
budget based *raid* card from a good vender with good linux support
might be the best option to get a good number of ports on a PCIe
interface, and have it work well with linux, all well being cheaper than
a full blown hardware raid solution.

Thanks for the info and I will have a look at the cards you mentioned.

Lyle


On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 00:41 -0600, Alberto Alonso wrote:

You've probably missed a discussion on issues I've been having with
SATA, software RAID and bad drivers. A clear thing from the responses 
I got is that you really need to use a recent kernel, as they may have
fixed those problems.

I didn't get clear responses indicating specific cards that are 
known to work well when hardrives fail. But if you can deal with
a server crashing and then rebooting manually then software RAID
is the way to go. I've always been able to get the servers back
online even with the problematic drivers.

I am happy with the 3ware cards and do use their hardware RAID to
avoid the problems that I've had. With those I've fully tested
16 drive systems with 2 arrays using 2 8-port cards. Others have
recommended the Areca line.

As for cheap "dumb" interfaces I am now using the RocketRAID 2220,
which gives you 8 ports on a PCI-X. I believe the "built" in RAID
on those is just firmware based so you may as well use them to
show the drives in normal/legacy mode and use software RAID on
top. Keep in mind I haven't fully tested this solution nor have
tested for proper functioning when a drive fails.

Another inexpensive card I've used with good results is the Q-stor
PCI-X card, but I think this is now obsolete.

Hope this helps,

Alberto


On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 05:20 +0300, Lyle Schlueter wrote:

quoted

Hello,

I just started looking into software raid with linux a few weeks ago. I
am outgrowing the commercial NAS product that I bought a while back.
I've been learning as much as I can, suscribing to this mailing list,
reading man pages, experimenting with loopback devices setting up and
expanding test arrays. 

I have a few questions now that I'm sure someone here will be able to
enlighten me about.
First, I want to run a 12 drive raid 6, honestly, would I be better of
going with true hardware raid like the areca ARC-1231ML vs software
raid? I would prefer software raid just for the sheer cost savings. But
what kind of processing power would it take to match or exceed a mid to
high-level hardware controller?

I haven't seen much, if any, discussion of this, but how many drives are
people putting into software arrays? And how are you going about it?
Motherboards seem to max out around 6-8 SATA ports. Do you just add SATA
controllers? Looking around on newegg (and some googling) 2-port SATA
controllers are pretty easy to find, but once you get to 4 ports the
cards all seem to include some sort of built in *raid* functionality.
Are there any 4+ port PCI-e SATA controllers cards? 

Are there any specific chipsets/brands of motherboards or controller
cards that you software raid veterans prefer?

Thank you for your time and any info you are able to give me!

Lyle

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