Le 12/01/2021 à 12:43, Vinayak Menon a écrit :

On 1/5/2021 9:07 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 08:16:11PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:

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So I think the basic rule is that "if you hold mmap_sem for writing,
you're always safe". And that really should be considered the
"default" locking.

ANY time you make a modification to the VM layer, you should basically
always treat it as a write operation, and get the mmap_sem for
writing.

Yeah, yeah, that's a bit simplified, and it ignores various special
cases (and the hardware page table walkers that obviously take no
locks at all), but if you hold the mmap_sem for writing you won't
really race with anything else - not page faults, and not other
"modify this VM".
To a first approximation, everybody that changes the VM should take
the mmap_sem for writing, and the readers should just be just about
page fault handling (and I count GUP as "page fault handling" too -
it's kind of the same "look up page" rather than "modify vm" kind of
operation).

And there are just a _lot_ more page faults than there are things that
modify the page tables and the vma's.

So having that mental model of "lookup of pages in a VM take mmap_semn
for reading, any modification of the VM uses it for writing" makes
sense both from a performance angle and a logical standpoint. It's the
correct model.
And it's worth noting that COW is still "lookup of pages", even though
it might modify the page tables in the process. The same way lookup
can modify the page tables to mark things accessed or dirty.

So COW is still a lookup operation, in ways that "change the
writabiility of this range" very much is not. COW is "lookup for
write", and the magic we do to copy to make that write valid is still
all about the lookup of the page.

(your other email clarified this point; the COW needs to copy while
holding the PTL and we need TLBI under PTL if we're to change this)

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Which brings up another mental mistake I saw earlier in this thread:
you should not think "mmap_sem is for vma, and the page table lock is
for the page table changes".

mmap_sem is the primary lock for any modifications to the VM layout,
whether it be in the vma's or in the page tables.

Now, the page table lock does exist _in_addition_to_ the mmap_sem, but
it is partly because

  (a) we have things that historically walked the page tables _without_
walking the vma's (notably the virtual memory scanning)

  (b) we do allow concurrent page faults, so we then need a lower-level
lock to serialize the parallelism we _do_ have.

And I'm thinking the speculative page fault series steps right into all
this, it fundamentally avoids mmap_sem and entirely relies on the PTL.

Which opens it up to exactly these races explored here.

The range lock approach does not suffer this, but I'm still worried
about the actual performance of that thing.

Some thoughts on why there may not be an issue with speculative page fault.
Adding Laurent as well.

Possibility of race against other PTE modifiers

1) Fork - We have seen a case of SPF racing with fork marking PTEs RO and that
is described and fixed here https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1062672/
2) mprotect - change_protection in mprotect which does the deferred flush is
marked under vm_write_begin/vm_write_end, thus SPF bails out on faults on those 
VMAs.
3) userfaultfd - mwriteprotect_range is not protected unlike in (2) above.
But SPF does not take UFFD faults.
4) hugetlb - hugetlb_change_protection - called from mprotect and covered by
(2) above.
5) Concurrent faults - SPF does not handle all faults. Only anon page faults.
Of which do_anonymous_page and do_swap_page are NONE/NON-PRESENT->PRESENT
transitions without tlb flush. And I hope do_wp_page with RO->RW is fine as well.
I could not see a case where speculative path cannot see a PTE update done via
a fault on another CPU.

Thanks Vinayak,

You explained it fine. Indeed SPF is handling deferred TLB invalidation by 
marking the VMA through vm_write_begin/end(), as for the fork case you 
mentioned. Once the PTL is held, and the VMA's seqcount is checked, the PTE 
values read are valid.

Cheers,
Laurent.