On Tue 23-08-16 11:13:03, Joonsoo Kim wrote:

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 01:52:19PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:

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I am not opposing the patch (to be honest it is quite neat) but this
is buggering me for quite some time. Sorry for hijacking this email
thread but I couldn't resist. Why are we trying to optimize SLAB and
slowly converge it to SLUB feature-wise. I always thought that SLAB
should remain stable and time challenged solution which works reasonably
well for many/most workloads, while SLUB is an optimized implementation
which experiment with slightly different concepts that might boost the
performance considerably but might also surprise from time to time. If
this is not the case then why do we have both of them in the kernel. It
is a lot of code and some features need tweaking both while only one
gets testing coverage. So this is mainly a question for maintainers. Why
do we maintain both and what is the purpose of them.

I don't know full history about it since I joined kernel communitiy
recently(?). Christoph would be a better candidate for this topic.
Anyway,

SLAB if SLUB beats SLAB completely. But, there are fundamental
differences in implementation detail so they cannot beat each other
for all the workloads. It is similar with filesystem case that various
filesystems exist for it's own workload.

Do we have any documentation/study about which particular workloads
benefit from which allocator? It seems that most users will use whatever
the default or what their distribution uses. E.g. SLES kernel use SLAB
because this is what we used to have for ages and there was no strong
reason to change that default. From such a perspective having a stable
allocator with minimum changes - just bug fixes - makes a lot of sense.
I remember Mel doing some benchmarks when "why opensuse kernels do not
use the default SLUB allocator" came the last time and he didn't see any
large winner there
https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kernel/2015-08/msg00098.html
This set of workloads is of course not comprehensive to rule one or
other but I am wondering whether there are still any pathological
workloads where we really want to keep SLAB or add new features to it.

Then, second plan was started. It is commonizing the code as much
as possible to develope new feature and maintain the code easily. The
code goes this direction, although it is slow. If it is achieved, we
don't need to worry about maintanance overhead.

I fully agree, commonizing the code base makes perfect sense. If a
feature can be made independent on the underlying implementation then I
am all for adding it but AFAIR kmemcg or kmemleak both need to touch
quite deep internals and that brings risk for introducing new bugs which
would be SL[AU]B specific. I remember Jiri Slaby was fighting a kmemlead
false positives recently with SLAB which were not present in SLUB for
example.

Anyway, we cannot remove one without regression so we don't remove one
until now. In this case, there is no point to stop improving one.

I can completely see the reason to not drop SLAB (and I am not suggesting
that) but I would expect that SLAB would be more in a feature freeze
state. Or if both of them need to evolve then at least describe which
workloads pathologically benefit/suffer from one or the other.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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