On 9/5/05, Stephen C. Tweedie [off-list ref] wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 21:33, Pavel Machek wrote:

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- read-only mount
- "specatator" mount (like ro but no journal allocated for the mount,
no fencing needed for failed node that was mounted as specatator)

I'd call it "real-read-only", and yes, that's very usefull
mount. Could we get it for ext3, too?

I don't want to pollute the ext3 paths with extra checks for the case
when there's no journal struct at all. But a dummy journal struct that
isn't associated with an on-disk journal and that can never, ever go
writable would certainly be pretty easy to do.

But mount -o readonly gives you most of what you want already. An
always-readonly option would be different in some key ways --- for a
start, it would be impossible to perform journal recovery if that's
needed, as that still needs journal and superblock write access. That's
not necessarily a good thing.

And you *still* wouldn't get something that could act as a spectator to
a filesystem mounted writable elsewhere on a SAN, because updates on the
other node wouldn't invalidate cached data on the readonly node. So is
this really a useful combination?

About the only combination I can think of that really makes sense in
this context is if you have a busted filesystem that somehow can't be
recovered --- either the journal is broken or the underlying device is
truly readonly --- and you want to mount without recovery in order to
attempt to see what you can find. That's asking for data corruption,
but that may be better than getting no data at all.

But that is something that could be done with a "-o skip-recovery" mount
option, which would necessarily imply always-readonly behaviour.

--Stephen

This is getting way off-thread, but xfs does not do journal replay on 
read-only mount. This was required due to filesystem snapshots which are 
often truly read-only. i.e. All LVM1 snapshots are truly read-only. Also 
many FC arrays support read-only snapshots as well.

I'm not sure how ext3 supports those environments (I use XFS when I need 
snapshot capability).

The above -skip-recovery option might be required?

Greg
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Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century