Thread (13 messages) 13 messages, 7 authors, 2022-01-06

Re: [PATCH v2] ext4: set csum seed in tmp inode while migrating to extents

From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Date: 2021-12-30 06:57:14
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On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:40:17PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
quoted
Our rationale behind not supporting the migration was always the fact
that we felt that backup was absolutely necessary before operation like
this. When you already have up-to-date backup available you might as
well create a fresh ext4 file system with all the advantages it brings
and recover data from said backup. I think this is still a very
reasonable approach.
Umm. Not really?

First... full backup/restore will take a _long_ time.
How big is an ext3 file system going to be, though?  Ext4 was
available in RHEL 5, and was fully supported in RHEL 6 --- which was
released in the year 2000.  Back in 2000, the biggest Seagate
Barracuda drive you could get was 30GB.  The biggest disk available at
that time was the IBM Deskstar 75GXP, which was 75GB.

So a 5 disk RAID array from the era where you might have still been
using ext3 *might* have been as large as 300GB.
Second... if you do online migration, you have filesystem you are
quite unlikely to corrupt, and backup you are unlikely to use. If you
do backup/restore, you have to be _way_ more careful that backup media
is reliable etc.
21 years later, those IDE disks are probably not even functioning any
more.  Every 4-7 years, depending on how careful you want to be, you'd
would be well-advised to buy new hard drives, since back then disk
drive capacities were doubling every 18-24 months.  And so the sane
thing to do would be to do a disk-to-disk transfer.  That is, you buy
a new computer, with brand new hard drives, install the latest distro
(many companies would only upgrade distros when they upgraded their
hardware), and so you'd format new hard drives with the latest file
system, and do a disk-to-disk transfer from the old system to the new
system.

Quite frankly, if you aren't willing to copy the data from your
ancient spinning rust platters (and back then, they probably *were*
actually iron oxide :-), your largest risk would be the HDD
self-destructing from extreme old age.  :-)

							- Ted
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