Thread (33 messages) 33 messages, 14 authors, 2015-09-15

Re: [GIT PULL] Ext3 removal, quota & udf fixes

From: Raymond Jennings <hidden>
Date: 2015-08-31 23:03:06
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On 08/31/15 15:39, Linus Torvalds wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Raymond Jennings [off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
That said, I wouldn't mind myself if the ext4 driver were given a very
grueling regression test to make sure it can actually handle old ext3
systems as well as the ext3 driver can.
That's not my only worry. Things like "can you go back to ext3-only"
is an issue too - I don't think that's been a big priority for ext4
any more, and if there are any existing hold-outs that still use ext3,
they may want to be able to go back to old kernels.
Then we should just consider anything making an ext3 system unusuable by 
older kernels as a regression to be stomped like any other.
So it's not just a "you can use ext4 instead" issue. Can you do that
*without* then forcing an upgrade forever on that partition? I'm not
sure the ext4 people are really even willing to guarantee that kind of
backwards compatibility.
Breaking that guarantee would be an example of such a regression.
I could be ok with removing ext3 in theory, but I haven't seen a lot
of rationale for it, and I don't know if there are still users who may
have their own good reasons to stay with ext3. Maybe there has been
lots of discussion about this on fsdevel (which I don't follow), and
I'm just lacking the background, but if so I want to see that
background. Not just a oneliner description that basically says
"remove ext3 support".
I actually agree that removing support for ext3 as a filesystem is a bad 
idea.  That would be a regression.

What I'm in favor of is removing the ext3 code as redundant if ext4 code 
can handle everything.  Of course, for it to be truly redundant, the 
ext4 code has to actually be capable of managing an ext3 filesystem 
without bumping it out of compatibility with older ext3 kernels.  Any 
such bump would rightly be classified as a regression.
                     Linus
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