On Thu 08-08-13 08:56:28, Andy Lutomirski wrote:

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Jan Kara [off-list ref] wrote:

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On Wed 07-08-13 11:00:52, Andy Lutomirski wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Dave Hansen [off-list ref] wrote:

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On 08/07/2013 06:40 AM, Jan Kara wrote:

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  One question before I look at the patches: Why don't you use fallocate()
in your application? The functionality you require seems to be pretty
similar to it - writing to an already allocated block is usually quick.

One problem I've seen is that it still costs you a fault per-page to get
the PTEs in to a state where you can write to the memory.  MADV_WILLNEED
will do readahead to get the page cache filled, but it still leaves the
pages unmapped.  Those faults get expensive when you're trying to do a
couple hundred million of them all at once.

I have grand plans to teach the kernel to use hardware dirty tracking
so that (some?) pages can be left clean and writable for long periods
of time.  This will be hard.

  Right that will be tough... Although with your application you could
require such pages to be mlocked and then I could imagine we would get away
at least from problems with dirty page accounting.

True.  The nasty part will be all the code that assumes that the acts
of un-write-protecting and dirtying are the same thing, for example
__block_write_begin, which is why I don't really believe in my
willwrite patches...

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Even so, the second write fault to a page tends to take only a few
microseconds, while the first one often blocks in fs code.

  So you wrote blocks are already preallocated with fallocate(). If you
also preload pages in memory with MADV_WILLNEED is there still big
difference between the first and subsequent write fault?

I haven't measured it yet, because I suspect that my patches are
rather buggy in their current form.

  I think you're mistaking MADV_WILLNEED with your MADV_WILLWRITE.
MADV_WILLNEED will just trigger readahead for the range - thus you should
have all pages with their block mappings set up in memory. Now the first
writeable fault will still have to do some work, namely converting
unwritten extents in extent tree to written ones. So there is going to be
some difference between the first and subsequent writeable faults. But I'd
like to see whether the difference is really worth the effort with new
MADV_... call.

								Honza
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Jan Kara [off-list ref]
SUSE Labs, CR

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