Hi,

Eric Sandeen wrote:

Christoph Hellwig wrote:

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 09:36:04AM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:

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Christoph Hellwig wrote:

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On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 05:52:35PM +0900, Takashi Sato wrote:

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I think that your concern is that the freezer cannot recognize the occurrence
of a timeout and it continues the backup process and the backup data is
corrupted finally.

What timeout should happen?  the freeze ioctl must not return until the
filesystem is a clean state and all writes are blocked.

The suggestion was that *UN*freeze would return ETIMEDOUT if the
filesystem had already unfrozen itself, I think.  That way you know that
the snapshot you just took is worthless, at least.

But why would the filesystem every unfreeze itself?  That defeats the
whole point of freezing it.

I agree.  Was just trying to clarify the above point.

But there have been what, 12 submissions now, with the unfreeze timeout
in place so it's a persistent theme ;)

Perhaps a demonstration of just how easy (or not easy) it is to deadlock
a filesystem by freezing the root might be in order, at least.

And even if it is relatively easy, I still maintain that it is the
administrator's role to not inflict damage on the machine being
administered.  There are a lot of potentially dangerous tools at root's
disposal; why this particular one needs a nanny I'm still not quite sure.

I think we need the timeout for the case someone dirties so much data
with mmap, hence the freeze process is swapped out and cannot unfreeze.

Cheers, Takashi