On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 12:55, Reshetova, Elena
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 at 11:25, Reshetova, Elena
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On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 08:04:15AM +0000, Reshetova, Elena wrote:

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2. The OCS ECC HW does not support the NIST P-192 curve. We were

planning

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to

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   add SW fallback for P-192 in the driver, but the Intel Crypto team
   (which, internally, has to approve any code involving cryptography)
   advised against it, because they consider P-192 weak. As a result, the
   driver is not passing crypto self-tests. Is there any possible solution
   to this? Is it reasonable to change the self-tests to only test the
   curves actually supported by the tested driver? (not fully sure how to do
   that).

An additional reason against the P-192 SW fallback is the fact that it can
potentially trigger unsafe behavior which is not even "visible" to the end user
of the ECC functionality. If I request (by my developer mistake) a P-192
weaker curve from ECC Keem Bay HW driver, it is much safer to return a
"not supported" error that proceed behind my back with a SW code
implementation making me believe that I am actually getting a HW-backed up
functionality (since I don't think there is a way for me to check that I am using
SW fallback).

Sorry, but if you break the Crypto API requirement then your driver
isn't getting merged.

But should not we think what behavior would make sense for good crypto drivers

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future?
As cryptography moves forward (especially for the post quantum era), we will

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lengths for all existing algorithms increased (in addition to having a bunch of new
ones),
and we surely should not expect the new generation of HW drivers to implement
the old/weaker lengths, so why there the requirement to support them? It is not

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part of crypto API definition on what bit lengths should be supported, because it
cannot be part of API to begin with since it is always changing parameter

(algorithms

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and attacks
develop all the time).

I would really appreciate, if someone helps us to understand here. Maybe there is a
correct way to address this, but we just don't see it. The question is not even about
this particular crypto driver and the fact whenever it gests merged or not, but the
logic of the crypto API subsystem.

As far as I understand the implementations that are provided by the specialized

drivers

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(like our Keem Bay OCS ECC driver example here) have a higher priority vs. generic
Implementations that exists in kernel, which makes sense because we expect these

drivers

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(and the security HW they talk to) to provide both more efficient and more secure
implementations than a pure SW implementation in kernel can do (even if it utilizes

special

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instructions, like SIMD, AESNI, etc.). However, naturally these drivers are bound by
what security HW can do, and if it does not support a certain size/param of the

algorithm

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(P-192 curve in our case), it is pointless and wrong for them to reimplement what

SW is

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already doing in kernel, so they should not do so and currently they re-direct to

core kernel

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implementation. So far good.

But now comes my biggest worry is that this redirection as far
as I can see is *internal to driver itself*, i.e. it does a callback to these core

functions from the driver

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code, which again, unless I misunderstand smth, leads to the fact that the end user

gets

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P-192 curve ECC implementation from the core kernel that has been "promoted"

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priority (given that ECC KeemBay driver for example got priority 300 to begin with).

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we say we have another HW Driver 'Foo', which happens to implement P-192

curves more securely,

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but happens to have a lower priority than ECC KeemBay driver, its implementation

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be chosen, but core kernel implementation will be used (via SW fallback internal to

ECC Keem

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Bay driver).

No, this is incorrect. If you allocate a fallback algorithm in the
correct way, the crypto API will resolve the allocation in the usual
manner, and select whichever of the remaining implementations has the
highest priority (provided that it does not require a fallback
itself).

Thank you very much Ard for the important correction here!
See below if I got it now correctly to the end for the use case in question.

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Another problem is that for a user of crypto API I don't see a way (and perhaps I

am wrong here)

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to guarantee that all my calls to perform crypto operations will end up being

performed on a

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security HW I want (maybe because this is the only thing I trust). It seems to be

possible in theory,

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but in practice would require careful evaluation of a kernel setup and a sync

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end user requests and what driver can provide. Let me try to explain a potential

scenario.

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Lets say we had an end user that used to ask for both P-192 and P-384 curve-based

ECC operations

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and let's say we had a driver and security HW that implemented it. The end user

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this driver implementation is always preferred vs. other existing implementations.

Now, time moves, a new

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security HW comes instead that only supports P-384, and the driver now has been

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support P-192 via the SW fallback (like we are asked now).
Now, how does an end user notice that when it asks for a P-192 based operations,

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are not done in security HW anymore? The only way seems to be
is to know that driver and security HW has been updated, algorithms and sizes

changed, etc.

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It might take a while before the end user realizes this and for example stops using

P-192 altogether,

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but what if this silent redirect by the driver actually breaks some security

assumptions (side-channel

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resistance being one potential example) made by this end user? The consequences

can be very bad.

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You might say: "this is the end user problem to verify this", but shouldn't we do

smth to prevent or

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at least indicate such potential issues to them?

I don't think it is possible at the API level to define rules that
will always produce the most secure combination of drivers. The
priority fields are only used to convey relative performance (which is
already semantically murky, given the lack of distinction between
hardware with a single queue vs software algorithms that can be
executed by all CPUs in parallel).

When it comes to comparative security, trustworthiness or robustness
of implementations, it is simply left up to the user to blacklist
modules that they prefer not to use. When fallback allocations are
made in the correct way, the remaining available implementations will
be used in priority order.

So, let me see if I understand the full picture correctly now and how to utilize
the blacklisting of modules as a user. Suppose I want to blacklist everything but
my OSC driver module. So, if I am as a user refer to a specific driver implementation
using a unique driver name (ecdh-keembay-ocs in our case), then regardless of the
fact that a driver implements this SW fallback for P-192 curve, if I am as a user to
ask for P-192 curve (or any other param that results in SW fallback), I will be notified
that this requested implementation does not provide it?

This is rather unusual compared with how the crypto API is typically
used, but if this is really what you want to implement, you can do so
by:
- having a "ecdh" implementation that implements the entire range, and
uses a fallback for curves that it does not implement
- export the same implementation again as "ecdh" and with a known
driver name "ecdh-keembay-ocs", but with a slightly lower priority,
and in this case, return an error when the unimplemented curve is
requested.

That way, you fully adhere to the API, by providing implementations of
all curves by default. And if a user requests "ecdh-keembay-ocs"
explicitly, it will not be able to use the P192 curve inadvertently.

But policing which curves are secure and which are not is really not
the job of the API. We have implementations of MD5 and RC4 in the
kernel that we would *love* to remove but we simply cannot do so as
long as they are still being used. The same applies to P192: we simply
cannot fail requests for that curve for use cases that were previously
deemed valid. It is perfectly reasonable to omit the implementation
from your hardware, but banning its use outright on the grounds that
is no longer secure conflicts with our requirement not to break
existing use cases.