Hi Mark,

On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 12:22 PM Mark Brown [off-list ref] wrote:

On Tue, Dec 09, 2025 at 07:31:17PM +1000, James Calligeros wrote:

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Imagine for example two codecs sharing a bus. When one codec is
transmitting, the other must ensure that it is holding its side
to 0, or data from the transmitting codec will be corrupted. We
can trust the "idle" codec to simply do this itself, however
this is undefined behaviour. Some devices may leave the line
floating, others still may pull the line high. We need a way to
control this behaviour.

I'm finding this explanation quite confusing - you appear to be
describing the situation where two devices simultaneously drive the same
signal which would be extremely unusual and I can't see how it would
work electrically.

We are trying to solve a few of problems here, and one of them is
a bit odd. I've probably jumbled up a bunch of different things here.

We have the use case where a codec enjoys exclusive use of a bus. For
these, the codec can transmit 0 on any unused slots to hold the bus.

We also have the case where multiple codecs share a single bus. One
codec can weakly pull the bus low when it's not being actively driven by
any of the attached codecs.

However, a number of machines split six codecs into groups of three
across two electrical lines and then OR them at the receiving
port such that they appear on a single bus at the SoC. Because the two
data lines are ORed at the receiver, we have to guarantee that line B is
zero while line A is active, and vice versa. To do this, we set a single codec
from each group to zero-fill during the active slots of the other group.

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Thus, we define five possible bus-keeping modes that a device can
be in: NONE (UB/as initialised), OFF (explicitly disabled), ZERO
(actively transmit a 0), PULLDOWN, and HIZ (floating).

What is "explicitly disabled" in ths context?  Why aren't pull up or
drive high options?

The OFF state was added so that consumers can explicitly disable
any and all bus keeping if necessary and supported by the component.
TAS2764 and 2770 both initialise with some bus keeping features enabled,
hence for this hardware NONE != OFF. I suspect this is the case for other
hardware too.

I neglected to add pull up and drive high simply because none of the
initially implemented hardware uses either. I can them for completeness's
sake, however.

Regards,
James