On 24/11/2022 16:32, Jing Zhang wrote:

在 2022/11/23 下午10:26, James Clark 写道:

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On 22/11/2022 15:41, Jing Zhang wrote:

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在 2022/11/22 下午10:00, James Clark 写道:

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On 21/11/2022 17:55, John Garry wrote:

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On 21/11/2022 15:17, Jing Zhang wrote:

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I'm sorry that I misunderstood the purpose of putting metric as
arch_std_event at first,
and now it works after the modification over your suggestion.

But there are also a few questions:

1. The value of the slot in the topdownL1 is various in different
architectures, for example,
the slot is 5 on neoverse-n2. If I put topdownL1 metric as
arch_std_event, then I need to
specify the slot to 5 in n2. I can specify slot values in metric like
below, but is there any
other concise way to do this?

diff --git
a/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json
b/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json
index 8ff1dfe..b473baf 100644

--- a/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json
+++ b/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json

@@ -1,4 +1,23 @@

[
+       {
+               "MetricExpr": "5",
+               "PublicDescription": "A pipeline slot represents the
hardware resources needed to process one uOp",
+               "BriefDescription": "A pipeline slot represents the
hardware resources needed to process one uOp",
+               "MetricName": "slot"

Ehhh....I'm not sure if that is a good idea. Ian or anyone else have an
opinion on this? It is possible to reuse metrics, so it should work, but...

One problem is that "slot" would show up as a metric, which you would
not want.

Alternatively I was going to suggest that you can overwrite specific std
arch event attributes. So for example of frontend_bound, you could have:

I would agree with not having this and just hard coding the 5 wherever
it's needed. Once we have a few different sets of metrics in place maybe
we can start to look at deduplication, but for now I don't see the value.

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+ b/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json

@@ -0,0 +1,30 @@

[
    {
    "ArchStdEvent": "FRONTEND_BOUND",
        "MetricExpr": "(stall_slot_frontend - cpu_cycles) / (5 *
cpu_cycles)",
    },

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+       }
+       {
+               "ArchStdEvent": "FRONTEND_BOUND"
+       },
+       {
+               "ArchStdEvent": "BACKEND_BOUND"
+       },
+       {
+               "ArchStdEvent": "WASTED"
+       },
+       {
+               "ArchStdEvent": "RETIRING"
+       },


2. Should I add the topdownL1 metric to
tools/perf/pmu-event/recommended.json,
or create a new json file to place the general metric?

It would not belong in recommended.json as that is specifically for
arch-recommended events. It would really just depend on where the value
comes from, i.e. arm arm or sbsa.

For what we're going to publish shortly we'll be generating a
metrics.json file for each CPU. It will be autogenerated so I don't
think duplication will be an issue and I'm expecting that there will be
differences in the topdown metrics between CPUs anyway. So I would also
vote to not put it in recommended.json

I will create a new sbsa.json file in tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/
to place metrics that may be common between some CPUs, just like arch_std_event.

Because this would apply to all CPUs rather than just N2, I still think
it's best to wait for our metrics repo to be published. Otherwise Arm
will start publishing metrics with names and group names for all future
CPUs that have different names to the common ones added as part of this
change.

It's something that we've been working on for quite a while and we've
taken care to make sure that it applies to future products and is scalable.

It would be easier to add these right now only for N2, and then
afterwards we can start to look at what is common and could be factored
out into the top level folder.

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If the topdown metrics are different in other CPUs, we can overwrite the
metric expression.

True, but with different group names and metric names and units it could
get slightly complicated.

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For example:

+++ b/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/sbsa.json

@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+[
+    {
+        "MetricExpr": "stall_slot_frontend / (slot * cpu_cycles)",
+        "PublicDescription": "Frontend bound L1 topdown metric",
+        "BriefDescription": "Frontend bound L1 topdown metric",
+        "MetricGroup": "TopDownL1",
+        "MetricName": "FRONTEND_BOUND"
+    }
+]

+ b/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json

@@ -0,0 +1,30 @@
+[
+   {
+   	"ArchStdEvent": "FRONTEND_BOUND",
+        "MetricExpr": "(stall_slot_frontend - cpu_cycles) / (5 * cpu_cycles)",
+   }
+]

With the auto generation of metrics file I don't really see too much
benefit of doing it this way.

You also run into the issue where if a platform happens to define all of
the events required by a metric, will that metric appear automatically,
even if it's not valid?

Ok, I agree to put the topdown metric in the n2 metric instead of arch_std_event.
There is no unified formula for the topdown metric currently, and the slots of each
CPU may be different.

After the standard are pubulished in the future, please consider what John said, and
use the general metric as arch_std_event.

Yep that sounds good, will do!


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