Re: [PATCH v2] arm64: allow TCR_EL1.TBID0 to be configured

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 9:42 AM Catalin Marinas [off-list ref] wrote:

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 03:00:10PM -0700, Peter Collingbourne wrote:

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 9:51 AM Catalin Marinas [off-list ref] wrote:

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On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:12:04PM -0700, Peter Collingbourne wrote:

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Introduce a command line flag that controls whether TCR_EL1.TBID0
is set at boot time. Since this is a change to the userspace ABI the
option defaults to off for now, although it seems likely that we'll
be able to change the default at some future point.

Setting TCR_EL1.TBID0 increases the number of signature bits used by
the pointer authentication instructions for instruction addresses by 8,
which improves the security of pointer authentication, but it also has
the consequence of changing the operation of the branch instructions
so that they no longer ignore the top byte of the target address but
instead fault if they are non-zero.

I'm a bit uneasy about the ABI change and not so keen on constraining
the ABI through the kernel command line. Ideally we should make this an
opt-in per application (prctl()) but that has some aspects to address

This doesn't necessarily need to be the end state, we can enhance this
based on need. For example, we could choose to take this patch now and
later implement the per-process opt-in where the default is controlled
by the command line.

What's the risk of an application becoming reliant on the new mode
(TBID0) and breaking with the old one? Probably very small but I haven't
figured out if it's zero. Depending on whether we have PAC or PAC2 (the
latter came with 8.6 but optional in 8.3) with TBID0, there are some
differences on how the PAC/AUT instructions work and the code generated
(XOR with the top bits).

I think it would be quite small. On Android, at least to begin with
there would be a mixture of devices with different TBID0 settings
(devices without PAC support and devices with older kernels would all
have this disabled), so I think it would be difficult for an
application to depend on it being enabled.

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Or just implement the software-only per-process
TBID0 almost-disablement which would be much simpler than doing it in
hardware, if that is enough to satisfy future needs.

I don't entirely follow this.

Sorry, I was referring to my earlier proposal for recovering from
tagged PC in the kernel by clearing the tag bits:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arm-kernel/CAMn1gO7+_JhTUw2gS6jnyRV+TCqprmpuCAfee3RCAhNjoVyy9w@mail.gmail.com/ (local)

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Otherwise we risk adding "unused" complexity to the kernel that we can
never remove due to API stability guarantees.

We've had other debates over the years and, in general, if a kernel
change causes apps to break, we'd have to keep the original behaviour.
Are there any plans to fix the JITs tools you discovered?

Yes, we would definitely want to fix the JIT issue in the Android
platform before rolling out a forward PAC ABI. This would be separate
from fixing apps, which would need to opt into MTE (or address tagging
via the target API level) anyway. But if it turns out that there are
too many apps with these JITs that use MTE or address tagging, I think
we would need to come back to the kernel to figure out some way to let
these programs run.

Talking to Will about this he was wondering whether we could make TBID0
on by default and clear the tag in PC if we take a fault (on tagged PC),
restarting the context. PAC shouldn't be affected since we would only
branch to an authenticated (PAC code removed) pointer. If this works,
we'd only affect performance slightly on such apps but don't completely
break them.

Right, this sounds exactly like my earlier proposal.

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first: (a) this bit is permitted to be cached in the TLB so we'd need
some TLBI when setting it (and a clarification in the specs that it is
tagged by ASID/VMID, probably fine) and (b) we'd need to context-switch
TCR_EL1, with a small performance penalty (I don't think it's
significant but worth testing).

So TLBI all of the CPUs on prctl() and context-switch TCR_EL1? I
thought there would be DOS concerns with the first part of that?

The DoS problem appears if we need to issue an IPI to all CPUs (like
stop_machine). The TLBI with broadcast handled in hardware should be OK
as it's targeted to a specific ASID. But this would have to be issued

I see -- I hadn't realised that this instruction is implemented as a
broadcast. So we would just need to issue the instruction from any CPU
and we should be good.

before any app threads are started, otherwise we'd need to synchronise
TCR_EL1. Given that TBID0 toggling affects PAC, this can only be done

Right, so this would be different from everything currently in
tagged_addr_ctrl because it would be per-process rather than
per-thread. So if this were a true TBID0 control we may even want it
as a separate prctl() since there are certainly use cases for changing
the other bits of tagged_addr_ctrl while the other threads are
running.

safely very early in the application before return addresses get a PAC
code.

Right, so maybe the "almost-disablement" would work better since all
of the signatures would then still be valid, and you could even have
different settings for different threads if you wanted to (e.g. if you
arranged to run legacy code only on a specific thread).

Peter

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