Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years?

On 2/19/2021 7:53 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 07:05:41AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:

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On 2/19/2021 12:25 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:16:50PM -0800, Scott Branden wrote:

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On 2021-02-18 10:36 a.m., Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:20:50PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:21:13AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:

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As a company, we are most likely shooting ourselves in the foot by not
having a point of coordination with the Linux Foundation and key people
like you, Greg and other participants in the stable kernel.

What does the LF have to do with this?

We are here, on the mailing lists, working with everyone.  Just test the
-rc releases we make and let us know if they work or not for you, it's
not a lot of "coordination" needed at all.

Otherwise, if no one is saying that they are going to need these for 6
years and are willing to use it in their project (i.e. and test it),
there's no need for us to maintain it for that long, right?

Greg, please remember I expressed I really need them for slightly more than
3 years (say 3.5-4) :-) I'm fine with helping a bit more as time permits if
this saves me from having to take over these kernels after you, like in the
past, but I cannot engage on the regularity of my availability.

Ok, great!

That's one person/company saying they can help out (along with what CIP
has been stating.)

What about others?  Broadcom started this conversation, odd that they
don't seem to want to help out :)

Greg, I'm sorry but I'm not in a position to provide such a commitment.

Ok, who at Broadcom do I need to talk to to get that type of commitment?

I am not sure if I was too subtle before, we (Broadcom) cannot give you
an unified voice to speak with because we are divided in silos/business
units that make their independent decisions.

That's fine, I'm totally used to that, large (and even small) companies
always have different groups with different roadmaps and policies.

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The group I work in (STB/CM, different from Scott's) is committed to
using the 5.10 kernel for 6 years and that is a decision that has been
taken.

Great!  Will you all be testing the -rc releases and letting me know how
they work for your systems?

Yes I will, can you add me to your CC list for the stable candidates?
That helps me not having to dig for those announcements specifically.

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I could give you names of other decision makers in other business units
I know who also deliver Linux for their respective business units
however some of them may not make public appearances on mailing lists,
let alone care about upstreaming their changes so I do not know whether
a 6 years 5.10 kernel is even something they remotely entertain.

That's fine, I'm not expecting emails from the list, we can take this
off-list if you like as it sounds like I need to talk to some different
managers there, right?  :)

I will put together a list and send you an email off list.
-- 
Florian

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