On 05/09/2012 03:38 PM, Jassi Brar wrote:

On 10 May 2012 00:40, Stephen Warren [off-list ref] wrote:

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On 05/08/2012 01:09 PM, Jassi Brar wrote:

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There is important difference between providing data via clients
during runtime vs providing info about every client to the dmac driver
at one go during its probe.

I certainly see that there is a difference.

I don't understand why it's an important difference; I think everything
needs to be handled at run-time no matter what:

Just because there is information in the DT that "this client DT node
uses this channel/request-ID/... of this DMA controller" doesn't mean
that the driver for the client is going to be loaded, or that SW running
on the system is going to cause that driver to actually be opened and do
any DMA. As such, any resource allocation rules etc. must be evaluated
only if/when a driver actually requests/uses a DMA channel, so having
"all the information up front" doesn't seem like a theoretically
possible thing anyway.

One point is about 'qos' here.... something like bandwidth allocation.
If the dmac driver knew up-front the max possible clients that could be
active simultaneously, it could "divide the bandwidth" accordingly.
Again, the example of PL330 employing 2physical channels for better
service - LLI (you got it right), where even 1 physical channel would
also have served only not as reliably. I believe there would be
more such scenarios.

QoS seems like policy to me, whereas DT is more about describing the HW.
Is DT the correct place to describe QoS policy?

I guess you are talking more about deriving policy from the description
of HW, i.e. how many client described in DT. However, for some reason
that seems dangerous to me; what if clients can be instantiated some
other way?

Another minor benefit could be that the dmac driver populate only
as many "struct dma_chan" as there are actually clients on the
machine (and this population has to be done during probe).
It could mean ~8 instead of ~40 channels populated on a machine.
Note, a PL330 dmac can have 32 channels, OMAP's has 128....

Most importantly, I just think it's a cleaner approach.

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Very similar to this, in order to support your point that a given client
could potentially use a channel from either of 2 different DMA
controller instances, you don't know until run-time which controller
will be used, so can't have up-front information in this scenario
either, even if the DMA does actually take place.

Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear enough.
A client sees _no_ difference between the two channels that could serve it.
And it can't start using two, if two are available.
Client just needs one suitable channel on whichever dmac that might be.
If the channel for a client is to be switched runtime, that decision
should lie with the dmac driver, not the client. And I am not really
after implementing that runtime decision support.

Yes, I understood that point. The issue is:

For a 1:1 mapping (or 1:n mapping in HW with static selection specified
in the DT) between DMA client and DMA controller, perhaps the controller
can indeed make QoS decisions based on which (how many) clients are
connected to it.

However, if a DMA client can be serviced by more than 1 DMA engine, and
the decision as to which DMA engine to use occurs at run-time by the DMA
driver core, rather than being statically configured in the DT, then the
DMA controller drivers cannot know ahead of time which will be used, and
hence cannot have the full information they need to make accurate QoS
decisions ahead of time; they can only make these decisions at run-time
when the DMA channels are actually opened.

So, I believe coupling any QoS decisions to DT content alone is not correct.

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Solving (b) seems to require something very roughly like:

dma-controller at 0 {
   compatible = "foo,dmac-xxx";
   dma-requests = <
               &client0 0 // DMAC req 0 is client0's 0th req output
               &client0 1
               &client1 0
               &client1 1
               &client2 0
               ...>;
};

dma-controller at 1 {
   compatible = "bar,dmac-yyy";
   dma-requests = <
               // Supports some client modules, but not the same ones
               &client0 0
               &client1 0
               &client3 0
               ...>;
};

client0: i2s {
   /* has 2 DMA request output signals: 0, 1 */
};

client1: spdif {
   /* has 2 DMA request signals: 0, 1 */
};

client2: foo {
   /* has 1 DMA request signal: 0 */
};

client3: bar {
   /* has 1 DMA request signal: 0 */
};

and then having the core DMA code have an API like:

channel = dma_request(clients_dma_req_output_id)

which looks in each DMA controller's dma-requests list for the client's
phandle and matching dma_req_output_id.

Almost what I proposed in my third post in this thread !!

Yes, looking back it's quite similar, but...

The minor difference being, you use the {request-signal, phandle} pair
to find the right channel, I used only 'token'.

That's a pretty big difference, I think.

In your proposal, every token was globally unique (well, within the 1 DT
file). I'd rather not see any more global numbering schemes.

As such, each token has to encode both some object that it's relative
to, and some ID relative to that object.

In DT parlance, the encoding of the object would be a phandle.

Now, DMA requests are signals /from/ a DMA client to a DMA controller
("send more data please", or "pull more data please"). Hence, I assert
that the phandle should refer to the DMA client, not the DMA controller.

Please note, with this method we specify info about every client at one
go and via dmac's DT node - hence those benefits.

Also note that, a client's dma specifier becomes perfectly general
and future-proof

   client1: spdif {
          dma_tx = <278>
          dma_rx = <723>
    };

otherwise the following representation

    client1: spdif {
               dma = <&sdma 2 1 &sdma 3 2>;
     };

could break with some weird dma setups (IIANW Russell already finds
it wouldn't work for him).

To solve Russell's HW, we need some way of representing the mux directly
in DT irrespective of how the DMA controller or DMA client specify what
they're connected to. Anything else isn't representing the HW in DT.

Also, who knows how to control the mux? We need that to be fully
general, and so the mux itself really needs some kind of driver which
the DMA core or DMA controller can call into when the channel is
allocated in order to set up the mux. Right now, Russell's driver calls
in the a platform-/board-provided callback, but we should really
architect a generic driver framework for this.

I'd propose something like the following to handle this:

dma-controller {
   compatible = "foo,dmac-xxx";
   dma-requests = <
		&dma_req_mux 0 // Perhaps RX is mux'd
		&client0 1 // But the 2 TX channels aren't
		&client1 1
		>;
};

The driver for this would somehow register with the DMA core, so that
when the driver for e.g. I2S attempts to allocate a DMA channel, the DMA
core knows to ask the mux driver to route the correct signal upstream to
the DMA controller:

dma_req_mux: mux {
   compatible = "foo,dma-req-mux";
   dma-requests = <&client0 0 &client1 0>;
   // A GPIO-based mux might use a regular GPIO binding for its control:
   gpios = <&gpio 0 0>;
};

client0: i2s {
   /* has 2 DMA request output signals: 0, 1 */
};

client1: spdif {
   /* has 2 DMA request signals: 0, 1 */
};