still nfs problems [Was: Linux 2.6.37-rc8]
From: Trond Myklebust <hidden>
Date: 2011-01-05 23:07:07
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On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 13:30 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Trond Myklebust [off-list ref] wrote:quoted
So what should be the preferred way to ensure data gets flushed when you've written directly to a page, and then want to read through the vm_map_ram() virtual range? Should we be adding new semantics to flush_kernel_dcache_page()?The "preferred way" is actually simple: "don't do that". IOW, if some page is accessed through a virtual mapping you've set up, then _always_ access it through that virtual mapping. Now, when that is impossible (and yes, it sometimes is), then you should flush after doing all writes. And if you do the write through the regular kernel mapping, you should use flush_dcache_page(). And if you did it through the virtual mapping, you should use "flush_kernel_vmap_range()" or whatever. NOTE! I really didn't look those up very closely, and if the accesses can happen concurrently you are basically screwed, so you do need to do locking or something else to guarantee that there is some nice sequential order. And maybe I forgot something. Which is why I do suggest "don't do that" as a primary approach to the problem if at all possible. Oh, and you may need to flush before reading too (and many writes do end up being "read-modify-write" cycles) in case it's possible that you have stale data from a previous read that was then invalidated by a write to the aliasing address. Even if that write was flushed out, the stale read data may exist at the virtual address. I forget what all we required - in the end the only sane model is "virtual caches suck so bad that anybody who does them should be laughed at for being a retard".
Yes. The fix I sent out was a call to invalidate_kernel_vmap_range(), which takes care of invalidating the cache prior to a virtual address read. My question was specifically about the write through the regular kernel mapping: according to Russell and my reading of the cachetlb.txt documentation, flush_dcache_page() is only guaranteed to have an effect on page cache pages. flush_kernel_dcache_page() (not to be confused with flush_dcache_page) would appear to be the closest fit according to my reading of the documentation, however the ARM implementation appears to be a no-op... -- Trond Myklebust Linux NFS client maintainer NetApp Trond.Myklebust at netapp.com www.netapp.com