Re: [RFC PATCH 1/9] ntsync: Introduce the ntsync driver and character device.

Elizabeth Figura [off-list ref] writes:

On Wednesday, 24 January 2024 15:26:15 CST Andy Lutomirski wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 4:59 PM Elizabeth Figura
[off-list ref] wrote:

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ntsync uses a misc device as the simplest and least intrusive uAPI interface.

Each file description on the device represents an isolated NT instance, intended
to correspond to a single NT virtual machine.

If I understand this text right, and if I understood the code right,
you're saying that each open instance of the device represents an
entire universe of NT synchronization objects, and no security or
isolation is possible between those objects.  For single-process use,
this seems fine.  But fork() will be a bit odd (although NT doesn't
really believe in fork, so maybe this is fine).

Except that NT has *named* semaphores and such.  And I'm pretty sure
I've written GUI programs that use named synchronization objects (IIRC
they were events, and this was a *very* common pattern, regularly
discussed in MSDN, usenet, etc) to detect whether another instance of
the program is running.  And this all works on real Windows because
sessions have sufficiently separated namespaces, and the security all
works out about as any other security on Windows, etc.  But
implementing *that* on top of this
file-description-plus-integer-equals-object will be fundamentally
quite subject to one buggy program completely clobbering someone
else's state.

Would it make sense and scale appropriately for an NT synchronization
*object* to be a Linux open file description?  Then SCM_RIGHTS could
pass them around, an RPC server could manage *named* objects, and
they'd generally work just like other "Object Manager" objects like,
say, files.

It's a sensible concern. I think when I discussed this with Alexandre
Julliard (the Wine maintainer, CC'd) the conclusion was this wasn't
something we were concerned about.

While the current model *does* allow for processes to arbitrarily mess
with each other, accidentally or not, I think we're not concerned with
the scope of that than we are about implementing a whole scheduler in
user space.

I may have misunderstood something in that dicussion then, because it
would definitely be a concern. It's OK for a process to be able to mess
up the state of any object that it has an NT handle to, but it shouldn't
be possible to mess up the state of unrelated objects in other processes
simply by passing the wrong integer id.

The concern is not so much about a malicious process going out of its
way to corrupt others, because it could do that through the NT API just
as well. But if a wayward pointer corrupts the client-side handle cache,
that shouldn't take down the entire session.

-- 
Alexandre Julliard
julliard@winehq.org