Thread (4 messages) 4 messages, 2 authors, 2021-08-04

Re: [REGRESSION?] Simultaneous writes to a reader-less, non-full pipe can hang

From: Alex Xu (Hello71) <hidden>
Date: 2021-08-04 19:48:47
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Excerpts from Linus Torvalds's message of August 4, 2021 12:31 pm:
Your program is buggy.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 8:37 AM Alex Xu (Hello71) [off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
    pipe(pipefd);
    printf("init buffer: %d\n", fcntl(pipefd[1], F_GETPIPE_SZ));
    printf("new buffer:  %d\n", fcntl(pipefd[1], F_SETPIPE_SZ, 0));
Yeah, what did you expect this to do? You said you want a minimal
buffer, you get a really small buffer.

Then you try to write multiple messages to the pipe that you just said
should have a minimum size.

Don't do that then.
quoted
/proc/x/stack shows that the remaining thread is hanging at pipe.c:560.
It looks like not only there needs to be space in the pipe, but also
slots.
Correct. The fullness of a pipe is not about whether it has the
possibility of merging more bytes into an existing not-full slot, but
about whether it has empty slots left.

Part of that is simply the POSIX pipe guarantees - a write of size
PIPE_BUF or less is guaranteed to be atomic, so it mustn't be split
among buffers.

So a pipe must not be "writable" unless it has space for at least that
much (think select/poll, which don't know the size of the write).

The fact that we might be able to reuse a partially filled buffer for
smaller writes is simply not relevant to that issue.

And yes, we could have different measures of "could write" for
different writes, but we just don't have or want that complexity.

Please don't mess with F_SETPIPE_SZ unless you have a really good
reason to do so, and actually understand what you are doing.

Doing a F_SETPIPE_SZ, 0 basically means "I want the mimimum pipe size
possible". And that one accepts exactly one write at a time.

Of course, the exact semantics are much more complicated than that
"exactly one write". The pipe write code will optimistically merge
writes into a previous buffer, which means that depending on the
pattern of your writes, the exact number of bytes you can write will
be very different.

But that "merge writes into a previous buffer" only appends to the
buffer - not _reuse_ it - so when each buffer is one page in size,
what happens is that you can merge up to 4096 bytes worth of writes,
but then after that the pipe write will want a new buffer - even if
the old buffer is now empty because of old reads.

That's why your test program won't block immediately: both writers
will actually start out happily doing writes into that one buffer that
is allocated, but at some point that buffer ends, and it wants to
allocate a new buffer.

But you told it not to allocate more buffers, and the old buffer is
never completely empty because your readers never read _everythign_,
so it will hang, waiting for you to empty the one minimal buffer it
allocated. And that will never happen.

There's a very real reason why we do *not* by default say "pipes can
only ever use only one buffer".

I don't think this is a regression, but if you have an actual
application - not a test program - that does crazy things like this
and used to work (I'm not sure it has ever worked, though), we can
look into making it work again.

That said, I suspect the way to make it work is to just say "the
minimum pipe size is two slots" rather than change the "we want at
least one empty slot". Exactly because of that whole "look, we must
not consider a pipe that doesn't have a slot writable".

Because clearly people don't understand how subtle F_SETPIPE_SZ is.
It's not really a "byte count", even though that is how it's
expressed.

                   Linus
I agree that if this only affects programs which intentionally adjust 
the pipe buffer size, then it is not a huge issue. The problem, 
admittedly buried very close to the bottom of my email, is that the 
kernel will silently provide one-page pipe buffers if the user has 
exceeded 16384 (by default) pipe buffer pages allocated. Try this 
slightly more complicated program:

#define _GNU_SOURCE
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <pthread.h>
#include <signal.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <unistd.h>

static int pipefd[2];

void *thread_start(void *arg) {
    char buf[1];
    int i;
    for (i = 0; i < 1000000; i++) {
        read(pipefd[0], buf, sizeof(buf));
        if (write(pipefd[1], buf, sizeof(buf)) == -1)
            break;
    }
    printf("done %d\n", i);
    return NULL;
}

int main() {
    signal(SIGPIPE, SIG_IGN);
    // pretend there are a very large number of make processes running
    for (int i = 0; i < 1025; i++)
    {
        pipe(pipefd);
        write(pipefd[1], "aa", 2);
    }
    printf("%d %d\n", pipefd[0], pipefd[1]);
    printf("init buffer: %d\n", fcntl(pipefd[1], F_GETPIPE_SZ));
    //printf("new buffer:  %d\n", fcntl(pipefd[1], F_SETPIPE_SZ, 0));
    pthread_t thread1, thread2;
    pthread_create(&thread1, NULL, thread_start, NULL);
    pthread_create(&thread2, NULL, thread_start, NULL);
    sleep(3);
    close(pipefd[0]);
    close(pipefd[1]);
    pthread_join(thread1, NULL);
    pthread_join(thread2, NULL);
}

You may need to raise your RLIMIT_NOFILE before running the program.

With default settings (fs.pipe-user-pages-soft = 16384) the init buffer 
will be 4096, no mangling required. I think this could be probably be 
solved if the kernel instead reduced over-quota pipes to two pages 
instead of one page. If someone wants to set a one-page pipe buffer, 
then they can suffer the consequences, but the kernel shouldn't silently 
hand people that footgun.

Regards,
Alex.
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