Re: Candidate Linux ABI for Intel AMX and hypothetical new related features

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Thomas Gleixner <hidden>
Date
2021-05-20 21:41:15
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Len Brown, 2021-05-20
Len,

On Thu, May 20 2021 at 17:22, Len Brown wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM Thomas Gleixner [off-list ref] wrote:
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AMX is analogous to the multiplier used by AVX-512.
The architectural state must exist on every CPU, including HT siblings.
Today, the HT siblings share the same execution unit,
and I have no reason to expect that will change.
I'm well aware that HT siblings share the same execution unit for
AVX.

Though AMX is if I remember the discussions two years ago correctly
shared by more than the HT siblings which makes things worse.
I regret that we were unable to get together in the last year to have
an updated discussion.  I think if we had, then we would have saved
a lot of mis-understanding and a lot of email!

So let me emphasize here:

There is one TMUL execution unit per core.
It is shared by the HT siblings within that core.

So the comparison to the AVX-512 multiplier is a good one.
Fine, but that does not at all change the facts that:

  1) It's shared between logical CPUs

  2) It has effects on power/thermal and therefore effects which reach
     outside of the core scope

  3) Your appproach of making it unconditionlly available via the
     proposed #NM prevents the OS and subsequently the system admin /
     system designer to implement fine grained control over that
     resource.

     And no, an opt-in approach by providing a non-mandatory
     preallocation prctl does not solve that problem.

Thanks,

        tglx
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