Re: [PATCH] ioctl_getfsmap.2: document the GETFSMAP ioctl

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 06:56:10AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Andreas Dilger [off-list ref] wrote:

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On May 10, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Eric Biggers [off-list ref] wrote:

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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 01:14:37PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:

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[cc btrfs, since afaict that's where most of the dedupe tool authors hang out]

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Yes, PIDs have traditionally been global, but today we have PID namespaces, and
many other isolation features such as mount namespaces.  Nothing is perfect, of
course, and containers are a lot worse than VMs, but it seems weird to use that
as an excuse to knowingly make things worse...

Indeed.  Not only PID namespaces -- we have hidepid and we can simply
unmount /proc.  "There are other info leaks" is a poor excuse.

Eh.  From the sounds of it I'm not all that impressed at the isolation
and leakproofness of any of these schemes.  Regardless, I will rephrase
the manpage to emphasize more strongly that filesystems are under no
obligation to share inode numbers, privileged callers or otherwise.

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Fortunately, the days of timesharing seem to well behind us.  For
those people who think that containers are as secure as VM's (hah,
hah, hah), it might be that best way to handle this is to have a mount
option that requires root access to this functionality.  For those
people who really care about this, they can disable access.

Or use separate filesystems for each container so that exploitable bugs
that shut down the filesystem can't be used to kill the other
containers.  You could use a torrent of metadata-heavy operations
(fallocate a huge file, punch every block, truncate file, repeat) to DoS
the other containers.

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What would be the reason for not putting this behind
capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN)?

What possible legitimate function could this functionality serve to
users who don't own your filesystem?

As I've said before, it's to enable dedupe tools to decide, given a set
of files with shareable blocks, roughly how many other times each of
those shareable blocks are shared so that they can make better decisions
about which file keeps its shareable blocks, and which file gets
remapped.  Dedupe is not a privileged operation, nor are any of the
tools.

So why does the ioctl need to return all extent mappings for the entire
filesystem, instead of just the share count of each block in the file that the
ioctl is called on?

One possibility is that the ioctl() can return the mapping for all inodes
owned by the calling PID (or others if CAP_SYS_ADMIN, CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE,
or CAP_FOWNER is set), and return an "filesystem aggregate inode" (or more
than one if there is a reason to do so) with all the other allocated blocks
for inodes the user doesn't have permission to access?

Sounds like it could be reasonable.  But you don't want "owned by the
calling PID" precisely -- you also need to check
kgid_has_mapping(current_user_ns(), inode->i_gid), I think.

Not to mention that I don't want to go xfs_igetting every inode across
the entire filesystem... :)

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