Re: [PATCH v2 5/7] clone4: Add a CLONE_AUTOREAP flag to automatically reap the child process

Josh,

I am really sorry for delay.

On 03/15, Josh Triplett wrote:

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 08:55:06PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:

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It should be per-process simply because this "autoreap" affects the whole
process. And the sub-threads are already "autoreap". And these 2 autoreap's
semantics differ, we should not confuse them.

Will the approach I suggested, of having clones with CLONE_THREAD
inherit the autoreap value rather than setting it from CLONE_AUTOREAP,
implement the semantics you're looking for?

Not sure I understand... CLONE_THREAD should not inherit the autoreap.
A sub-thread is always autoreapable.

Also, are you suggesting that CLONE_AUTOREAP with CLONE_THREAD should
produce -EINVAL, or just that it should be ignored?

Yes, I think CLONE_AUTOREAP | CLONE_THREAD should return -EINVAL. But
this all is minor...

The main problem is how/when we should check this "autoreap" without
making this code even more ugly.

I still think we need a preparation patch. I tried to make it today but
failed. Will try again on weekend...


Note that we can't solely rely on do_notify_parent() which (with your patch)
correctly checks !ptrace && autoreap.

Just for example. Please look at __ptrace_detach(). Note that if we add
CLONE_AUTOREAP this needs a fix in any case. The tracee can be "autoreap"
but zombie, because "autoreap" should be ignored until the tracer detaches.
But the "same_thread_group" should not call do_notify_parent() again. So
this needs another check.

And let me quote our discussion from the previous email:

	> > EXCEPT: do we really want SIGCHLD from the exiting child? I think we
	> > do not. I won't really argue though, but this should be discussed and
	> > documented. IIUC, with your patch it is still sent.
	>
	> I think we do, yes.  The caller of clone can already specify what signal
	> they want, including no signal at all.  If they specify a signal
	> (SIGCHLD or otherwise) along with CLONE_AUTOREAP, we can send that
	> signal.

	OK. Agreed.

Yes, I agree...

But the changes in __ptrace_detach() depend on whether we need to send a signal
or not. Either way the changle is simple, but looks ugly. It would be nice to
cleanup this somehow.

Also. I forgot that the kernel always resets ->exit_signal to SIGCHLD on exec
or reparenting. Reparenting is probably fine. But what about exec? Should it
keep ->exit_signal == 0 if "autoreap" ? I think it should not, to avoid the
strange special case.

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And there are ptrace/mt issues,
it seems. Just for example, we should avoid EXIT_TRACE if autoreap in
wait_task_zombie() even if we are going to re-notify parent.

I don't see how EXIT_TRACE can happen in wait_task_zombie if autoreap is
set.  wait_task_zombie does a cmpxchg with exit_state and doesn't
proceed unless exit_state was EXIT_ZOMBIE, and I don't see how we can
ever reach the EXIT_ZOMBIE state if autoreap.

Because you again forgot about ptrace ;)

And this too asks for preparation before CLONE_AUTOREAP...

So I'll try to think about this all again on weekend. I'll try very much
to not disappear again ;)

Oleg.