On 2021-06-08 at 07:10:36, Jeff King wrote:
On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 04:57:48PM +0000, Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget wrote:
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If we use singular "they/them" pronouns instead of "he/him" or "she/her"
pronouns, then we can avoid this congitive load on the reader.
Using singular "they" is also incredibly efficient. Choosing a gendered
pronoun is usually arbitrary between "he" or "she". Using constructs
such as "he or she", "s/he", or "(s)he" are more complicated than
singular "they".
In general, I do like the efficiency and readability of singular "they".
As a native speaker, I have no problem reading it, and I have little
sense that most of my native-speaker acquaintances would, either.
I agree. I'm very much in favor of singular "they".
I _do_ worry that it would be jarring or difficult to read for
non-native speakers (or perhaps native speakers who aren't in my circle
of acquaintances). There have been a few comments to that effect on the
list, but it's hard to consider that data and not anecdotes.
I have heard these arguments, and as a someone who speaks two other
languages, I'm sympathetic to the argument that this is a little tricky.
For me, personally, I liken it to the French "on" (one), which can be
used in many, but not all, places that "nous" (we) is used, to reflect
the first-person plural, but with some slightly different shades of
meaning. This is a tricky part of the language and it's a hard one to
get right, but it's also extremely commonly used, so it's nearly
obligatory to be comfortable with it in order to be reasonably
conversant in French.
Similarly, singular "they" is extremely common in informal written
English (e.g., texts and tweets) and nearly ubiquitous in spoken
English, where people use it routinely without thinking[0]. So while I am
in favor of making things easier for non-native speakers, this is so
common in actual usage that it's practically unavoidable and it's a
feature of the language that almost every speaker will be exposed to and
they will need to be comfortable with it to function effectively.
Given this context, I'm comfortable with adopting this change.
One thing that gives me some comfort is your research here:
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Perhaps due to similar reasons, official style guides have changed their
stance on singuler "they" in recent years. For example, the APA style
guide changed their official recommendation in 2019 [1]. The MLA
handbook also references helpful ways to use singular "they" [2]. While
not fully endorsing it, the Chicago Manual of Style has removed its
blanket ban on singular "they" [3] (the previous recommendation was to
only use "it" as a singular non-gendered pronoun).
[1] https://apastyle.apa.org/blog/singular-they
[2] https://style.mla.org/using-singular-they/
[3] https://libraries.indiana.edu/chicago-manual-style-singular-pronoun-they
I don't know to what degree those style guidelines take into account
non-native speakers. But they at least provide a sense that this style
is in wide-ish use. And probably growing use, as well, considering that
they have changed recently. So even if it may be surprising to some
readers at first, I hope it may become less so as time goes on and
projects (like ours) make it more commonplace.
I agree that this is becoming more common, not less, and that it is
gaining acceptance by many authorities.
So I think this is a reasonable style suggestion to put in our
guidelines.
I agree with this as well.
[0] I have noticed this to be true of non-native but fluent colleagues,
for example.
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brian m. carlson (he/him or they/them)
Toronto, Ontario, CA