On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 07:09:50PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:

quoted

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to change "git checkout origin" here or
not. It already does something useful. I was mostly suggesting that the
other thing might _also_ be useful, but I'm not sure if it is wise to
change the current behavior.

Well, "git checkout origin/HEAD" would also do something useful,
which happens to be identical to "git checkout origin", to detach
HEAD at the commit.

To be clear, I meant that both of those do the useful thing, and I'm not
sure if it would be confusing to users to change that (but see below).

quoted

I was thinking more like an explicit way to trigger the dwim-behavior,
like:

  # same as "git checkout foo" magic that creates "foo", but we
  # have said explicitly both that we expect to make the new branch, and
  # also that we expect it to come from origin.
  git checkout --make-local origin/foo

By default I think --guess (formerly known as --dwim) is enabled, so
"git checkout foo" is "git checkout --guess foo", which is making
local 'foo' out of the uniquely found remote-tracking branch.  This
new one is to reduce the "uniquely found" part from the magic and
let you be a bit more explicit, but not explicit enough to say "-t"
or "-b foo"?  I am not sure if this is all that useful.

I agree it's not all that useful in that example. What I was thinking is
that by giving the implicit/heuristic magic a more explicit verbose
name, then we make it natural to extend the explicit version to more
cases where it might be questionable to do it implicitly.

So no, I doubt anybody would normally type what I wrote above. But it
lets us explain it as:

  - there's a feature "--make-local" (I still hate the name) that makes
    a local branch from a remote one if it doesn't already exist

  - that feature knows how to resolve symrefs and create the branch from
    the pointed-to name

  - as a shortcut, "git checkout foo" is a synonym for "--make-local
    origin/foo" when "origin/foo" exists but "foo" does not

It's definitely not worth it, though, if we decide that there's an
implicit/heuristic syntax that should trigger the symref thing.

If this were a slightly different proposal, I would see the
convenience value in it, though.  Currently what "--guess" does is:

      If the name 'foo' given does not exist as a local branch,
      and the name appears exactly once as a remote-tracking branch
      from some remote (i.e. 'refs/remotes/origin/foo' exists, but
      there is no other 'refs/remotes/*/foo'), create a local 'foo'
      that builds on that remote-tracking branch and check it out.

What would happen if we tweaked the existing "--guess" behaviour
slightly?

      "git checkout --guess origin/foo", even when there is a second
      remote 'publish' that also has a remote-tracking branch for
      its 'foo' (i.e. both 'refs/remotes/{origin,publish}/foo'
      exists), can be used to disambiguate among these remotes with
      'foo'.  You'd get local 'foo' that builds on 'foo' from the
      remote 'origin' and check it out.

I forgot we had --guess. Piggy-backing on that might be sensible as a
stronger "explicit" signal that this is what the user wants (though
"--guess" is still a funny name here, because we're no longer guessing
at all; the user told us what they want).

But yeah, the semantics you outlined in the second paragraph match what
I was expecting "--make-local" to do.

quoted

  # similar, but because we are being explicit, we know it is reasonable
  # to dereference HEAD to find the actual branch name
  git checkout --make-local origin/HEAD

The user does not need "git symbolic-ref refs/remotes/origin/HEAD"
if such a feature were available.  "git checkout --some-option origin"
without having to say /HEAD may be a better UI, though.

Right. I'm assuming that "origin/HEAD" and "origin" could be used
interchangeably in my example.

And "checkout" being a Porcelain, and the DWIM feature that is
always on is subject to be improved for human use, I do not see why
that --some-option cannot be --guess.  If I want to get the current
behaviour, I can explicitly say "git checkout --detach origin"
anyway, no?

I think:

  git checkout --guess origin

would make sense to dereference origin/HEAD to "foo", as if we had said
"git checkout foo". That's the explicit part that seems safe. My
question is whether:

  git checkout origin

should likewise do so. As you note, one can always use --detach to make
their intention clear, and checkout is a porcelain, so we are OK to
change it. But would users find that annoying? I frequently use "git
checkout origin" to get a detached HEAD pointing at your master (e.g.,
because I want to reproduce a bug, or do a "something like this..."
patch). I'm sure I could retrain my fingers, but I wonder if I'm not the
only one.

Doing it for only an explicit "--guess" turns that feature into a
tri-state (explicitly off, explicitly on, or "implicit, so be a little
more conservative"). Which perhaps is harder to explain, but I think
cleanly adds the new feature in a consistent way, without really
changing any existing behavior.

Related, I assume that:

  git checkout --guess origin/foo
  git checkout origin/foo

should behave the same as their "origin" or "origin/HEAD" counterparts
for consistency (obviously making "foo" in the former case, and either
detaching or making "foo" in the second case, depending on what you
think of the earlier paragraphs).

-Peff