Hello,

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Elijah Newren [off-list ref] wrote:

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:53 AM Felipe Contreras
[off-list ref] wrote:

quoted

I could do some mail archeology if you want, but this issue starts to
be mentioned at least since 2010, and virtually everyone (except one
person) agreed the default must change, even Linus Torvalds. Reading
back what Linus said [5], it's something very, *very* close to what
I'm proposing (I would argue my proposal is better).

So you let me know. Do you want me to dig a decade of discussions and
coalesce those conclusions into a summary so we can decide how to
proceed? Or should I drop the plan? Only that if we drop it, I
*guarantee* we will discuss it yet again years later.

Moreover, this is the reason why I split the series in 3. Even if you
decide you don't want to change the default, part I of the series can
still be merged *today*, and everyone would benefit.

Have I missed some subtlety here?  This whole email appears to me to
be arguing against a strawman.  Reading Junio's other emails in this
thread[1][2], it's pretty clear he thinks the current behavior is
buggy and suggests how it should be changed.  From what I can tell,
you appear to be arguing against doing nothing and against only
accepting perfection, neither of which were positions I saw anyone
take.  In fact, the positions you argue for at length appear to
exactly match the ones he took[1][2].  What am I missing?

People change their minds.

Perhaps I misinterpreted something, but when Junio said "I dunno" I
take it to mean: he is unsure my proposal "pull.mode=ff-only" makes
sense. He also said "for anybody who uses git for real, [force
-ff-only] would be pretty much a useless default", which I take it to
mean that perhaps we shouldn't change the default to that.

Back in 2013 Junio said "I now see how such a default makes sense."
[1], but we are in 2020 and such a default that made sense is not the
default.

Mind reading is a really bad habbit [2]; I don't know what other
people think, and I would not presume to know.

All I know is that the path forward is unclear. And because I
prognosticated that, I split the series in 3 parts, and I've yet to
see any objection to part I, which would improve the situation for
users *today*.

So, while we make up our collective minds, there's no reason to bother
our users with an annoying warning on *every* *single* *pull*.

Cheers.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/7vli74baym.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org/ (local)
[2] https://cogbtherapy.com/cbt-blog/common-cognitive-distortions-mind-reading

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Felipe Contreras