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Re: Hash algorithm analysis

From: Jonathan Nieder <hidden>
Date: 2018-07-24 20:49:25

Hi,

Linus Torvalds wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 PM Edward Thomson
[off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
Switching gears, if I look at this from the perspective of the libgit2
project, I would also prefer SHA-256 or SHA3 over blake2b.  To support
blake2b, we'd have to include - and support - that code ourselves.  But
to support SHA-256, we would simply use the system's crypto libraries
that we already take a dependecy on (OpenSSL, mbedTLS, CryptoNG, or
SecureTransport).
Just to be clear, OpenSSL has built-in blake2b support.

[...]
So I'm not a huge fan of sha256, partly because of my disappointment
in lack of hw acceleration in releant markets (sure, it's fairly
common in ARM, but nobody sane uses ARM for development because of
_other_ reasons). And partly because I don't like how the internal
data size is the same as the final hash. But that second issue is an
annoyance with it, not a real issue - in the absence of weaknesses
it's a non-issue, and any future weaknesses might affect any other
choice too.
Thanks for saying this.  With this in mind, I think we have a clear
way forward: we should use SHA-256.

My main complaint about it is that it is not a tree hash, but the
common availability in libraries trumps that (versus SHA-256x16, say).
I also was excited about K12, both because I like a world where Keccak
gets wide hardware accelaration (improving PRNGs and other
applications) and because of Keccak team's helpfulness throughout the
process of helping us evaluate this, and it's possible that some day
in the future we may want to switch to something like it.  But today,
as mentioned in [1] and [2], there is value in settling on one
standard and SHA2-256 is the obvious standard today.

Thanks,
Jonathan

[1] https://public-inbox.org/git/CAL9PXLyNVLCCqV1ftRa3r4kuoamDZOF29HJEhv2JXrbHj1nirA@mail.gmail.com/
[2] https://public-inbox.org/git/20180723183523.GB9285@aiede.svl.corp.google.com/
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