Re: Johannes misbehavior in the wiki, and a request for admin rights (was: wiki "abuse")

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Avery Pennarun [off-list ref] wrote:

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
[off-list ref] wrote:

quoted

I'm not going to go into details as why I think no warning was issued,
just that we need this:
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/WikiIdeas#Allow_users_to_see_deleted_pages

Keep in mind that 99% of the unwanted crud that gets posted to a wiki
is spam and absolutely doesn't deserve a fair warning before it gets
deleted.  Just based purely on the list of usernames that was posted
earlier, it looked mainly like spammers to me.

Sure, if it's clearly spam (as in created by a spam bot) it doesn't
deserve a warning, but as Amir's case demonstrates, not all of the
deleted content was like that.

If you want to implement a huge big process before deleting/banning
users, you'll want to be sure what you're getting into.

There's no big process: warn before you ban if the user is not a bot. Simple.

I personally don't think that anything that was done originally was
necessarily wrong, or that the wiki management itself needs to be
fixed.  If it were possible for people to simply look at deleted
pages, this thread would have been "Hey, you deleted me and it was
unwarranted!" -> Someone checks it out -> "No, it was warranted, don't
post swearwords to user pages" -> "Oops, sorry" -> Unbanned.

That can't be right because the reason wasn't that, but "Spamming
links to external sites", and that hasn't even been decided yet.

But if that's what you meant, here's a more likely case:
1) Join the wiki
2) Fill the user page as requested
3) Get blocked permanently
4) Give up

Just by having a *temporary* ban instead of a permanent one (when the
user is clearly not a spam bot) would not have only decreased the
thread, but it wouldn't have happened in the first place and wouldn't
have caused the case I just mentioned.

The thread went on as long as it did simply because verification was
impossible.

No, it did because there was no admin willing to fix the problem: unban.

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Felipe Contreras