Re: Applying patches from gmane can be dangerous.

* Brian Downing [off-list ref] [080207 07:32]:

On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:14:31PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:

quoted

This is really sad.  gmane gives us a clean threaded interface
(both in web and newsreader), and it never forgets. Whenever I
need to refer somebody to an old discussion, I can give an URL
to it and allmost all the discussion messages are there with a
single paste and clicking around.  It has been an indispensable
service to me ever since I started reading the git list with it.
It is really a shame that I have to prevent picking up patch
messages from it with the above hook.

I am wondering if other development communities had a similar
issue already, and if so how they are dealing with it.

Gmane didn't start doing this until recently.  Maybe they can stop it on
a group-by-group basis?  Every post to git@vger is archived elsewhere
with unmangled email addresses anyway...

"We understand why you're doing this, but it hurts us greatly.  Please
stop."

Gmane has always done the "hide the real email" address on groups that
request it.  The git group does *not* request it, but the msysgit group
*has* requested it.

Note that I dont ahve any inner circle knowledge of gmane, but I have
used it for ages, and watched the gmane discuss for as long.

One of the "nice" things about gmane is that it follows thread/lines/etc
across groups as the discussions move.  They do this because the only
store a single copy of the message (based on message-id), and link it to
the groups  (after all, it is a news store).  But because of that single
copy of a message, if the 1st group/list a message comes in for is set
to hide the email addresses, I beleve the stored copy gets its addresses
munged.

If you look at the message Junio referenced, it hit gmane first from the
msysgit list (@google), not the git list (@vger).  So when the git@vger
mail came in with the same message-id, it simply linked it to the
already stored message

Basically, we have to convince groups that are commonly "overlapping"
git@vger on gmane not to choose hiding the emails.  In this case, the
msysgit group.

a.

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