News reader woes (was: Re: [3/4] What's not in 1.5.2 (new topics))

On Sun, 20 May 2007, Petr Baudis [off-list ref] wrote:

On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 08:45:16PM CEST, Junio C Hamano wrote:

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Julian Phillips [off-list ref] writes:

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On Fri, 18 May 2007, Junio C Hamano wrote:

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Jakub Narebski [off-list ref] writes:

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[Cc: Petr Baudis [off-list ref], Josef Weidendorfer
[off-list ref], "Michael S. Tsirkin" [off-list ref],
Junio C Hamano [off-list ref], Andy Parkins [off-list ref],
Nicolas Pitre [off-list ref], git@vger.kernel.org]

Offtopic.  Why do you do this, and what benefit are you or
anybody in the above list, which is in body part of the message,
getting?

It looks like he is posting through gmane using a news reader ... so
the list post comes from gmane while the CCs go out directly (I
assume).

Ah, I see.  The names listed on that in-body CC: do appear on
the To: in the copy of the message that came via e-mail.  If
that is how gmane operates then there is nothing Jakub to do to
improve it, I guess...

Thanks for the clarification.

Actually, Jakub, if it can be turned off, could you, please?

Not getting cc'd on replies is slightly annoying. But this is highly
confusing - suddenly I must take care _not_ to reply to the private
copies, and we actually do have a parallel subthread of replies to your
mail not cc'd to the mailing list. :-(

The problem, and mentioned above trying to overcome it, lies in
complicated interaction between the GMane news to email gateway,
vger mail filtering (spam protection rules) and the _news_ reader
I use, namely KNode 0.10.2 from KDE 3.5.3.

I read git mailing list via GMane NNTP (Usenet, news) interface:
  nntp://gmane.comp.version-control.git
as I respond only rarely. I start new threads using email, and
if I get reply via email I try to reply also from mail client, not
via news. However, when replying to message which I read only via
NNTP interface, replying in news client, I have option of sending
reply only to gmane.comp.version-control.git which means sending
email only to git mailing list and breaking Cc: list. 

Another option is to copy Cc: list manually to To: field (no Cc:
in this version of KNode), and have gmane.comp.version-control.git
in the Group: field.  The fact that there is no Cc: to set is the
problem of KNode.  The problem with GMane and vger interaction lies
in the fact that I _cannot_ put git@vger.kernel.org in the To: list,
as somehow vger rejects mails sent via GMane (it does not rejects
news messages send via GMane).

I could also copy whole message to mail client, but this would break
In-Reply-To: and references: headers, thus breaking threading.


Do I understand correctly that you prefer 1st option, namely replying
only to newsgroup / git mailing list?


Note that changing news client is as hard as changing email client:
you would like to migrate configuration, news state (read/unread
articles) and sent/drafts folders to new news client. Not that easy.

-- 
Jakub Narebski
Poland