On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Jeff Layton [off-list ref] wrote:

On Mon, 2017-05-22 at 14:04 -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:

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David Howells [off-list ref] writes:

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Here are a set of patches to define a container object for the kernel and
to provide some methods to create and manipulate them.

The reason I think this is necessary is that the kernel has no idea how to
direct upcalls to what userspace considers to be a container - current
Linux practice appears to make a "container" just an arbitrarily chosen
junction of namespaces, control groups and files, which may be changed
individually within the "container".

I think this might possibly be a useful abstraction for solving the
keyring upcalls if it was something created implicitly.

fork_into_container for use by keyring upcalls is currently a security
vulnerability as it allows escaping all of a containers cgroups.  But
you have that on your list of things to fix.  However you don't have
seccomp and a few other things.

Before we had kthreadd in the kernel upcalls always had issues because
the code to reset all of the userspace bits and make the forked
task suitable for running upcalls was always missing some detail.  It is
a very bug-prone kind of idiom that you are talking about.  It is doubly
bug-prone because the wrongness is visible to userspace and as such
might get become a frozen KABI guarantee.

Let me suggest a concrete alternative:

- At the time of mount observer the mounters user namespace.
- Find the mounters pid namespace.
- If the mounters pid namespace is owned by the mounters user namespace
  walk up the pid namespace tree to the first pid namespace owned by
  that user namespace.
- If the mounters pid namespace is not owned by the mounters user
  namespace fail the mount it is going to need to make upcalls as
  will not be possible.
- Hold a reference to the pid namespace that was found.

Then when an upcall needs to be made fork a child of the init process
of the specified pid namespace.  Or fail if the init process of the
pid namespace has died.

That should always work and it does not require keeping expensive state
where we did not have it previously.  Further because the semantics are
fork a child of a particular pid namespace's init as features get added
to the kernel this code remains well defined.

For ordinary request-key upcalls we should be able to use the same rules
and just not save/restore things in the kernel.

OK, that does seem like a reasonable idea. Note that it's not just
request-key upcalls here that we're interested in, but anything that
we'd typically spawn from kthreadd otherwise.

Generalizing it will expose the kernel to exploits, today containers
setup the mount namespace for images from the net, outdated
filesystems, and users just do it,  it is easy. Having kthread running
inside such contexts is not a good idea. That's today usecases.

That said, I worry a little about this. If the init process does a setns
at the wrong time, suddenly you're doing the upcall in different
namespaces than you intended.

That init process or whatever process inside owns that context and files.

Maybe for some cases it is better to use userspace that you can talk
to through a standard kernel bus endpoint and request a resource as it
is done within modern apps. The application at the other end acts
using kthread helpers in the appropriate context.


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