There is a time-lag of IFF_RUNNING flag consistency between vlan and real
devices when the real devices are in problem such as link or cable broken.
This leads to a degradation of Availability such as a delay of failover in
HA systems using vlan since the detection of the problem at real device is
delayed.
Why this happens:
Network devices' flags can be checked using ioctl with SIOCGIFFLAGS. When
vlan technique is used, it checks the flags of vlan device, not real
device.
Patch:
This patch adds vlan-device check into dev_get_flags(). So, it can check
flags of the real device even if the vlan is used.
Signed-off-by: Mitsuo Hayasaka <redacted>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <redacted>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <redacted>
Cc: "Michał Mirosław" <mirq-linux@rere.qmqm.pl>
Cc: Tom Herbert <redacted>
Cc: Jesse Gross <redacted>
---
include/linux/if_vlan.h | 2 +-
net/core/dev.c | 7 +++++++
2 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
From: Stephen Hemminger <hidden> Date: 2011-08-26 06:08:53
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:02:57 +0900
Mitsuo Hayasaka [off-list ref] wrote:
There is a time-lag of IFF_RUNNING flag consistency between vlan and real
devices when the real devices are in problem such as link or cable broken.
This leads to a degradation of Availability such as a delay of failover in
HA systems using vlan since the detection of the problem at real device is
delayed.
Why this happens:
Network devices' flags can be checked using ioctl with SIOCGIFFLAGS. When
vlan technique is used, it checks the flags of vlan device, not real
device.
Patch:
This patch adds vlan-device check into dev_get_flags(). So, it can check
flags of the real device even if the vlan is used.
Signed-off-by: Mitsuo Hayasaka <redacted>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <redacted>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <redacted>
Cc: "Michał Mirosław" <mirq-linux@rere.qmqm.pl>
Cc: Tom Herbert <redacted>
Cc: Jesse Gross <redacted>
I don't think this is the right way to solve the problem.
The flags are supposed to propagate back from real device to vlan
via network notifications.
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than on
the real device.
From: Herbert Xu <hidden> Date: 2011-08-26 06:46:43
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:08:59PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than on
the real device.
Right, anything that tests netif_carrier_ok directly on the VLAN
device will still be delayed.
Now I remember discussing this issue in Japan. However, I can't
recall the exact scenario in which the delay occured.
Is the issue with the link status going down on the real device,
or the real device coming up?
IIRC we already have mechanisms in place to ensure that down events
are not delayed by linkwatch. Of course it is possible that this
isn't working for some reason, or some other part of the system is
causing the delay.
So please clarify the scenario for us Hayasaka-san. Also please
let us know how you measured the delay.
Thanks,
--
Email: Herbert Xu [off-list ref]
Home Page: http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/
PGP Key: http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/pubkey.txt
Hi Stephen and Herbert
Thank you for your comments.
(2011/08/26 15:08), Stephen Hemminger wrote:
I don't think this is the right way to solve the problem.
The flags are supposed to propagate back from real device to vlan
via network notifications.
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than on
the real device.
I agreed.
I will try another way to solve this problem, as you said.
(2011/08/26 15:45), Herbert Xu wrote:
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:08:59PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
quoted
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than on
the real device.
Right, anything that tests netif_carrier_ok directly on the VLAN
device will still be delayed.
Now I remember discussing this issue in Japan. However, I can't
recall the exact scenario in which the delay occured.
Is the issue with the link status going down on the real device,
or the real device coming up?
IIRC we already have mechanisms in place to ensure that down events
are not delayed by linkwatch. Of course it is possible that this
isn't working for some reason, or some other part of the system is
causing the delay.
So please clarify the scenario for us Hayasaka-san. Also please
let us know how you measured the delay.
Thanks,
This issue happens when the link status is going down on the real
device.
ex) A cable is broken, or is unplugged from a NIC.
I measured the delay using ioctl with SIOCGIFFLAGS from userspace
in order to check if there is a time-lag of the flag between vlan
and real devices.
Also, you can check it using a script below.
-------------------------
#!/bin/sh
t=0
while :
do
echo $t; t=$((t+1))
echo -n real; ifconfig RealDev | grep UP
echo -n vlan; ifconfig VlanDev | grep UP
sleep 0.2
done
-------------------------
The result is shown as follows.
It is observed that there is a time-lag of RUNNING status between
real and vlan devices.
....
19
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
20
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 * A cable is unplugged from NIC.
21
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
22
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
23
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
24
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
25
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
26
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
27
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
28
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
29
real UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
30
real UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
31
real UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
32
real UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
33
real UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
34
real UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
35
real UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
36
real UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
vlan UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
Thanks.
From: Eric Dumazet <hidden> Date: 2011-08-28 14:10:02
Le dimanche 28 août 2011 à 22:20 +0900, HAYASAKA Mitsuo a écrit :
Hi Stephen and Herbert
Thank you for your comments.
(2011/08/26 15:08), Stephen Hemminger wrote:
quoted
I don't think this is the right way to solve the problem.
The flags are supposed to propagate back from real device to vlan
via network notifications.
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than on
the real device.
I agreed.
I will try another way to solve this problem, as you said.
(2011/08/26 15:45), Herbert Xu wrote:
quoted
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:08:59PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
quoted
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than on
the real device.
Right, anything that tests netif_carrier_ok directly on the VLAN
device will still be delayed.
Now I remember discussing this issue in Japan. However, I can't
recall the exact scenario in which the delay occured.
Is the issue with the link status going down on the real device,
or the real device coming up?
IIRC we already have mechanisms in place to ensure that down events
are not delayed by linkwatch. Of course it is possible that this
isn't working for some reason, or some other part of the system is
causing the delay.
So please clarify the scenario for us Hayasaka-san. Also please
let us know how you measured the delay.
Thanks,
This issue happens when the link status is going down on the real
device.
ex) A cable is broken, or is unplugged from a NIC.
I measured the delay using ioctl with SIOCGIFFLAGS from userspace
in order to check if there is a time-lag of the flag between vlan
and real devices.
Also, you can check it using a script below.
-------------------------
#!/bin/sh
t=0
while :
do
echo $t; t=$((t+1))
echo -n real; ifconfig RealDev | grep UP
echo -n vlan; ifconfig VlanDev | grep UP
sleep 0.2
done
-------------------------
The result is shown as follows.
It is observed that there is a time-lag of RUNNING status between
real and vlan devices.
Hi !
This reminds me some work done in linkwatch
Please take a look at commit e014debecd3ee3832e647 (linkwatch:
linkwatch_forget_dev() to speedup device dismantle)
And more generally, code in net/core/link_watch.c
From: Stephen Hemminger <hidden> Date: 2011-08-29 06:06:35
----- Original Message -----
Le dimanche 28 août 2011 à 22:20 +0900, HAYASAKA Mitsuo a écrit :
quoted
Hi Stephen and Herbert
Thank you for your comments.
(2011/08/26 15:08), Stephen Hemminger wrote:
quoted
I don't think this is the right way to solve the problem.
The flags are supposed to propagate back from real device to vlan
via network notifications.
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user
space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than
on
the real device.
I agreed.
I will try another way to solve this problem, as you said.
(2011/08/26 15:45), Herbert Xu wrote:
quoted
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:08:59PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger
wrote:
quoted
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user
space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than
on
the real device.
Right, anything that tests netif_carrier_ok directly on the VLAN
device will still be delayed.
Now I remember discussing this issue in Japan. However, I can't
recall the exact scenario in which the delay occured.
Is the issue with the link status going down on the real device,
or the real device coming up?
IIRC we already have mechanisms in place to ensure that down
events
are not delayed by linkwatch. Of course it is possible that this
isn't working for some reason, or some other part of the system
is
causing the delay.
So please clarify the scenario for us Hayasaka-san. Also please
let us know how you measured the delay.
Thanks,
This issue happens when the link status is going down on the real
device.
ex) A cable is broken, or is unplugged from a NIC.
I measured the delay using ioctl with SIOCGIFFLAGS from userspace
in order to check if there is a time-lag of the flag between vlan
and real devices.
Also, you can check it using a script below.
-------------------------
#!/bin/sh
t=0
while :
do
echo $t; t=$((t+1))
echo -n real; ifconfig RealDev | grep UP
echo -n vlan; ifconfig VlanDev | grep UP
sleep 0.2
done
-------------------------
The result is shown as follows.
It is observed that there is a time-lag of RUNNING status between
real and vlan devices.
Hi !
This reminds me some work done in linkwatch
Please take a look at commit e014debecd3ee3832e647 (linkwatch:
linkwatch_forget_dev() to speedup device dismantle)
And more generally, code in net/core/link_watch.c
Maybe the problem is specific to a ethernet driver. Some devices poll
for link changes, and also do a manual check when ioctl was done.
This was mostly typical of older hardware that did not have a PHY
interrupt.
From: Eric Dumazet <hidden> Date: 2011-08-29 06:23:29
Le dimanche 28 août 2011 à 23:06 -0700, Stephen Hemminger a écrit :
----- Original Message -----
quoted
Le dimanche 28 août 2011 à 22:20 +0900, HAYASAKA Mitsuo a écrit :
quoted
Hi Stephen and Herbert
Thank you for your comments.
(2011/08/26 15:08), Stephen Hemminger wrote:
quoted
I don't think this is the right way to solve the problem.
The flags are supposed to propagate back from real device to vlan
via network notifications.
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user
space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than
on
the real device.
I agreed.
I will try another way to solve this problem, as you said.
(2011/08/26 15:45), Herbert Xu wrote:
quoted
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:08:59PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger
wrote:
quoted
Just doing this for ioctl is not enough, API's other than user
space depend on this.
Also the user may have manually set different flags on vlan than
on
the real device.
Right, anything that tests netif_carrier_ok directly on the VLAN
device will still be delayed.
Now I remember discussing this issue in Japan. However, I can't
recall the exact scenario in which the delay occured.
Is the issue with the link status going down on the real device,
or the real device coming up?
IIRC we already have mechanisms in place to ensure that down
events
are not delayed by linkwatch. Of course it is possible that this
isn't working for some reason, or some other part of the system
is
causing the delay.
So please clarify the scenario for us Hayasaka-san. Also please
let us know how you measured the delay.
Thanks,
This issue happens when the link status is going down on the real
device.
ex) A cable is broken, or is unplugged from a NIC.
I measured the delay using ioctl with SIOCGIFFLAGS from userspace
in order to check if there is a time-lag of the flag between vlan
and real devices.
Also, you can check it using a script below.
-------------------------
#!/bin/sh
t=0
while :
do
echo $t; t=$((t+1))
echo -n real; ifconfig RealDev | grep UP
echo -n vlan; ifconfig VlanDev | grep UP
sleep 0.2
done
-------------------------
The result is shown as follows.
It is observed that there is a time-lag of RUNNING status between
real and vlan devices.
Hi !
This reminds me some work done in linkwatch
Please take a look at commit e014debecd3ee3832e647 (linkwatch:
linkwatch_forget_dev() to speedup device dismantle)
And more generally, code in net/core/link_watch.c
Maybe the problem is specific to a ethernet driver. Some devices poll
for link changes, and also do a manual check when ioctl was done.
This was mostly typical of older hardware that did not have a PHY
interrupt.
Hmm, I just tried the script on my laptop, and reproduced the problem
with a tg3 driver, considered as a reference one ;)
the 'carrier is on' event is immediately present on both devices, but
the 'carrier is off' is delayed by one second.
09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5755M
Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
Subsystem: Dell Device 01f9
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 45
Memory at f1ef0000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Expansion ROM at <ignored> [disabled]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: tg3
Kernel modules: tg3
From: Eric Dumazet <hidden> Date: 2011-08-31 09:32:01
There is a time-lag of IFF_RUNNING flag consistency between vlan and
real devices when the real devices are in problem such as link or cable
broken.
This leads to a degradation of Availability such as a delay of failover
in HA systems using vlan since the detection of the problem at real
device is delayed.
We can avoid the linkwatch delay (~1 sec) for devices linked to another
ones, since delay is already done for the realdev.
Based on a previous patch from Mitsuo Hayasaka
Reported-by: Mitsuo Hayasaka <redacted>
Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <redacted>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <redacted>
Cc: "Michał Mirosław" <mirq-linux@rere.qmqm.pl>
Cc: Tom Herbert <redacted>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <redacted>
Cc: Jesse Gross <redacted>
---
net/core/link_watch.c | 9 +++++++--
1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
Hi Eric,
I checked this patch solves the time-lag of IFF_RUNNING flag consistency
between vlan and real devices.
Cheers.
Tested-by: Mitsuo Hayasaka <redacted>
(2011/08/31 18:31), Eric Dumazet wrote:
quoted hunk
There is a time-lag of IFF_RUNNING flag consistency between vlan and
real devices when the real devices are in problem such as link or cable
broken.
This leads to a degradation of Availability such as a delay of failover
in HA systems using vlan since the detection of the problem at real
device is delayed.
We can avoid the linkwatch delay (~1 sec) for devices linked to another
ones, since delay is already done for the realdev.
Based on a previous patch from Mitsuo Hayasaka
Reported-by: Mitsuo Hayasaka <redacted>
Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <redacted>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <redacted>
Cc: "Michał Mirosław" <mirq-linux@rere.qmqm.pl>
Cc: Tom Herbert <redacted>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <redacted>
Cc: Jesse Gross <redacted>
---
net/core/link_watch.c | 9 +++++++--
1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> Date: 2011-09-15 19:45:30
From: Eric Dumazet <redacted>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:31:58 +0200
There is a time-lag of IFF_RUNNING flag consistency between vlan and
real devices when the real devices are in problem such as link or cable
broken.
This leads to a degradation of Availability such as a delay of failover
in HA systems using vlan since the detection of the problem at real
device is delayed.
We can avoid the linkwatch delay (~1 sec) for devices linked to another
ones, since delay is already done for the realdev.
Based on a previous patch from Mitsuo Hayasaka
Reported-by: Mitsuo Hayasaka <redacted>
Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <redacted>