On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 09:01:14PM -0700, Derrik Pates wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:
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I suggest going to ebay and finding a Rage128 Mac edition. I found
quite a few there when i was tasked with setting up a Silver G4 for
someone, i even got two Rage128s so i would have an extra just in case
i would be able to afford one those nice machines in the near future.
the Rage128 works very well in those machines, the mac edition is
needed since you want to be able to see OpenFirmware.
Yeah, I know that part. But will any of those cards (or any Radeon boards
for Mac) have an ADC port? The problem is, the system has a flatpanel
display - in this case, a 17" Apple Cinema Display LCD - and the nVidia
driver might work if not for that.
yes one of the Rage128's i bought on ebay has the ADC port.
also FreeBSD people, since they also can't use nVidia's binary drivers. I
hope he has some success.
From: Ani Joshi <hidden> Date: 2001-10-29 17:21:42
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:
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also FreeBSD people, since they also can't use nVidia's binary drivers. I
hope he has some success.
don't hold your breath, you might suffocate.
Hmm, its nice to see such pessimism from the community. Perhaps instead,
you could try helping, but I suppose that's too much to ask from some.
Anyhow, companies *do* change their policies with the proper polite
lobbying. This includes nVidia.
From: Michel Dänzer <hidden> Date: 2001-10-29 17:26:48
On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 18:21, Ani Joshi wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:
quoted
quoted
also FreeBSD people, since they also can't use nVidia's binary drivers. I
hope he has some success.
don't hold your breath, you might suffocate.
Hmm, its nice to see such pessimism from the community. Perhaps instead,
you could try helping, but I suppose that's too much to ask from some.
Anyhow, companies *do* change their policies with the proper polite
lobbying. This includes nVidia.
I don't see the point of begging them for support though if there are
other companies who already support us.
Someone (Bastien Nocera IIRC) asked nVidia at a show if they planned to
release their drivers for PPC in the future, and they said no. Not even
maybe...
--
Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast
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From: Ani Joshi <hidden> Date: 2001-10-29 17:44:36
On 29 Oct 2001, Michel [ISO-8859-1] Dänzer wrote:
I don't see the point of begging them for support though if there are
other companies who already support us.
So all the people with GeForce's in macs should have to buy ATI cards?
That is a subpar solution, and ridiculous in my mind.
Someone (Bastien Nocera IIRC) asked nVidia at a show if they planned to
release their drivers for PPC in the future, and they said no. Not even
maybe...
That means nothing. It doesn't mean they will not help us get things
going on macs. I have a few contacts at nVidia and they have helped a
LOT recently with the support so far, so if they didn't care at all then
we wouldnt be as far as we are now.
Just because it isn't working today, doesn't mean it won't work tomorrow.
ATI never helped before, and after R128 they decided to really help, is
that to say we should have given up after mach64?
--
Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast
I don't see the point of begging them for support though if there are
other companies who already support us.
So all the people with GeForce's in macs should have to buy ATI cards?
That is a subpar solution, and ridiculous in my mind.
quoted
Someone (Bastien Nocera IIRC) asked nVidia at a show if they planned to
release their drivers for PPC in the future, and they said no. Not even
maybe...
What I was told by a marketing guy (no techies available at the ECTS
last year), that "NVidia either supports fully themselves [through dodgy
binary drivers] or not at all". Then again, that might be what the
company says to avoid any lengthy talks and pleas.
That means nothing. It doesn't mean they will not help us get things
going on macs. I have a few contacts at nVidia and they have helped a
LOT recently with the support so far, so if they didn't care at all then
we wouldnt be as far as we are now.
Well, that's good, but I know I wouldn't want to buy a PowerMac with an
NVidia card until they change their policy or at least that you can tell
me that NVidia *as a company* is making efforts.
Just because it isn't working today, doesn't mean it won't work tomorrow.
ATI never helped before, and after R128 they decided to really help, is
that to say we should have given up after mach64?
Fair enough, and all your hard work is much appreciated, just as
Michel's, Sven's, Geert's and everybody would put their nose into making
the most important output device of our Macs work better.
Cheers
--
/Bastien Nocera
http://hadess.net
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From: Derrik Pates <hidden> Date: 2001-10-29 18:09:46
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Ani Joshi wrote:
So all the people with GeForce's in macs should have to buy ATI cards?
That is a subpar solution, and ridiculous in my mind.
I don't disagree, but consider the fact that we're dealing with a company
that ran the source-only driver for their boards (that they released to
XFree86 some time back) through a C preprocessor to prevent people from
figuring out how their hardware works. They're very possessive about their
intellectual property, and will go out of their way (to what IMO are
ridiculous lengths) to prevent anyone else from supporting their gear,
even if they're not interested in doing so.
That means nothing. It doesn't mean they will not help us get things
going on macs. I have a few contacts at nVidia and they have helped a
LOT recently with the support so far, so if they didn't care at all then
we wouldnt be as far as we are now.
Even Mark V. isn't overly optimistic about getting the necessary info out
of nVidia to the people who need it to support DVI displays with nVidia
boards on Linux (he is trying tho, and I thank him for that).
Just because it isn't working today, doesn't mean it won't work tomorrow.
ATI never helped before, and after R128 they decided to really help, is
that to say we should have given up after mach64?
All a matter of if anyone is interested in expending the effort trying to
develop support for their hardware. I don't think the Linux community
should just give up when we run into something difficult to do, but in
some ways, we should try to support those who support us. nVidia is making
some efforts, but unless they can loosen their death grip on specs for
their hardware, it's very difficult to support it, and there aren't enough
hours in a day to release binary drivers for every open-source OS on every
platform.
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