Re: Pismo status

On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 12:30:07PM +0000, Sergio Brandano wrote:

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 Sorry, I do not see your point.

 My point is that if the CPU is piping hot, and you shutdown the
 computer, no cooling is provided. This is wrong, as the fan has
 nothing to do with the OS and it *must* spin until the temperature
 reaches a safe level.

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Well, the fan is there to remove the exess heat generated by a running CPU, if
you shut off the CPU, there will be no more exess heat generated, and the
existing heat will most assuredly be dissipated to less active cooling
mechanism. Since you cannot damage the CPU, or other pieces of the hardware,
this should cause no problem. And i think the G3 processor is not so hot
running, that it will be so much above the safe temperature state.

 Ok Sven. You are convinced about your idea, but I am still skeptical.
 In order to persuade me, I need a proof. Please perform this simple
 experiment, then report the result. The experiment is as follows.
 Have a nice and long trip with your car, then come back home, and
 switch the engine off ensuring that the cooling fan is not spinning.
 Let us know if your car starts again the next day.

well, i think the motor of your car is a lot heat producing and retaining than
the G3 cpu of your laptop, isn't it ?

 If you prefer, you can perform the similar experiment with your brand new
 PowerBook 500Mhz. Just run an intensive floating point application

If only i had one, ...

 for a long time, then shutdown. Keep doing it every day, for a week
 or so. Let us know it your jewel works fine at the end of it.

Ok, no problem it is your hardware, you do as you think is best, but still,
there were talks about powerbook case cooling without fan, so this could be
not so big a problem, unless you are using your laptop at noon in the sahara.

That said, i don't believe apple (as well as all the other laptop builders)
would release a laptop that would fry itself like that, ... they would be
facing lots of angry customer if it was so.

...

Another experiment you could try :

you use your laptop intensively as you said above, then before switching it
off, you put a thermometer on the cpu, or near it, and switch it off, you will
see how fast the temperature will drop ...

Anyway, lets stop this thread now, ...

Friendly,

Sven LUTHER

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On Sat, 20 May 2000, Sven LUTHER wrote:

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 Ok Sven. You are convinced about your idea, but I am still skeptical.
 In order to persuade me, I need a proof. Please perform this simple
 experiment, then report the result. The experiment is as follows.
 Have a nice and long trip with your car, then come back home, and
 switch the engine off ensuring that the cooling fan is not spinning.
 Let us know if your car starts again the next day.

Um, there's a big difference there.  Your car is mechanical.  Computers
are not, other than the hard drive.  And excess heat probably does
contribute to stiction in hard drives, but that's about it.  When you stop
your car, oil drains out of the engine.  If the engine is still in an
expanded state from the heat, you're in deep you-know-what.  ;-)

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 for a long time, then shutdown. Keep doing it every day, for a week
 or so. Let us know it your jewel works fine at the end of it.

Ok, no problem it is your hardware, you do as you think is best, but
still, there were talks about powerbook case cooling without fan, so
this could be not so big a problem, unless you are using your laptop at
noon in the sahara.

Yeah.  The powerbook case cools both through heat rising through gaps in
the keyboard and through the entire thing being basically one huge heat
sink.  :-)

That said, i don't believe apple (as well as all the other laptop builders)
would release a laptop that would fry itself

No, but they can fry eggs, or at least the wallstreets could.  :-)


David

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