Re: Compat 32-bit syscall entry from 64-bit task!?

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Re: Compat 32-bit syscall entry from 64-bit task!?

From: Dmitry V. Levin <hidden>
Date: 2017-03-08 23:45:23

Hi,

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:03:43PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Hi Linus,

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Linus Torvalds
[off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
quoted
Please look at strace source, get_scno() function, where
it reads syscall no and parameters. Let's see....
- POWERPC: has 32-bit and 64-bit mode
- X86_64: has 32-bit and 64-bit mode
- IA64: has i386-compat mode
- ARM: has more than one ABI
- SPARC: has 32-bit and 64-bit mode

Do you want to re-invent a different arch-specific way to report
syscall type for each of these arches?
I think an arch-specific one is better than trying to make some
generic one that is messy.

As you say, many architectures have multiple system call ABIs.

But they tend to be very *different* issues. They can be about
multiple ABI's, as you mention, and even when they *look* similar
(32-bit vs 64-bit ABI's) they are actually totally different issues.
[skip]
I don't have a particular attachment to my solution,
and I think we already talk about this problem for
far too long.

Looks like nobody is _strongly_ opposed to your patch
which uses a few bits in eflags to report bitness
of the x86 syscall.

Lets just do that already. If you commit it to kernel git,
I will immediately change strace accordingly.
Is there any progress with this (or any alternative) solution?

I see the kernel side has changed a bit, and the strace part
is in a better shape than 5 years ago (although I'm biased of course),
but I don't see any kernel interface that would allow strace to reliably
recognize this 0x80 case.


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Re: Compat 32-bit syscall entry from 64-bit task!?

From: Andrew Lutomirski <hidden>
Date: 2017-03-09 04:40:17

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Dmitry V. Levin [off-list ref] wrote:
Hi,

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:03:43PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
quoted
Hi Linus,

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Linus Torvalds
[off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
quoted
Please look at strace source, get_scno() function, where
it reads syscall no and parameters. Let's see....
- POWERPC: has 32-bit and 64-bit mode
- X86_64: has 32-bit and 64-bit mode
- IA64: has i386-compat mode
- ARM: has more than one ABI
- SPARC: has 32-bit and 64-bit mode

Do you want to re-invent a different arch-specific way to report
syscall type for each of these arches?
I think an arch-specific one is better than trying to make some
generic one that is messy.

As you say, many architectures have multiple system call ABIs.

But they tend to be very *different* issues. They can be about
multiple ABI's, as you mention, and even when they *look* similar
(32-bit vs 64-bit ABI's) they are actually totally different issues.
[skip]
I don't have a particular attachment to my solution,
and I think we already talk about this problem for
far too long.

Looks like nobody is _strongly_ opposed to your patch
which uses a few bits in eflags to report bitness
of the x86 syscall.

Lets just do that already. If you commit it to kernel git,
I will immediately change strace accordingly.
Is there any progress with this (or any alternative) solution?

I see the kernel side has changed a bit, and the strace part
is in a better shape than 5 years ago (although I'm biased of course),
but I don't see any kernel interface that would allow strace to reliably
recognize this 0x80 case.
I am strongly opposed to fudging registers to half-arsedly slightly
improve the epicly crappy ptrace(2) interface for syscalls.

To fix this right, please just add PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO or similar
to, in one shot, read out all the syscall details.  This means: arch,
no, arg0..arg5, and *whether it's entry or exit*.  I propose returning
this structure:

struct ptrace_syscall_info {
  u8 op;  /* 0 for entry, 1 for exit */
  u8 pad0;
  u16 pad1;
  u32 pad2;
  union {
    struct seccomp_data syscall_entry;
    s64 syscall_exit_retval;
  };
};

because struct seccomp_data already gets this right.  There's plenty
of opportunity to fine-tune this.  Now it works on all architectures.

Since struct seccomp_data may be extended in the future, the operation
should be:

ptrace(PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO, pid, (void *)sizeof(struct
ptrace_syscall_info), &info);

returns 0 on success and some error code if, for example, the current
ptrace stop isn't a syscall entry or exit.

--Andy
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Re: Compat 32-bit syscall entry from 64-bit task!?

From: Dmitry V. Levin <hidden>
Date: 2017-03-14 02:57:39

On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:39:55PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
[...]
quoted
Is there any progress with this (or any alternative) solution?

I see the kernel side has changed a bit, and the strace part
is in a better shape than 5 years ago (although I'm biased of course),
but I don't see any kernel interface that would allow strace to reliably
recognize this 0x80 case.
I am strongly opposed to fudging registers to half-arsedly slightly
improve the epicly crappy ptrace(2) interface for syscalls.

To fix this right, please just add PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO or similar
to, in one shot, read out all the syscall details.  This means: arch,
no, arg0..arg5, and *whether it's entry or exit*.  I propose returning
this structure:

struct ptrace_syscall_info {
  u8 op;  /* 0 for entry, 1 for exit */
  u8 pad0;
  u16 pad1;
  u32 pad2;
  union {
    struct seccomp_data syscall_entry;
    s64 syscall_exit_retval;
  };
};

because struct seccomp_data already gets this right.  There's plenty
of opportunity to fine-tune this.  Now it works on all architectures.
Unfortunately, the API is missing.

Unlike syscall_get_nr(), syscall_get_arch() works with the current task
only so there is no API to get the arch identifier for the given task
that would work on all architectures.


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