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RE: [PATCH v4 2/2] ACPI / button: Add document for ACPI control method lid device restrictions

From: Zheng, Lv <hidden>
Date: 2016-07-22 08:48:04
Also in: linux-acpi, lkml

Hi,

From: Benjamin Tissoires [mailto:benjamin.tissoires@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] ACPI / button: Add document for ACPI control
method lid device restrictions

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 6:37 AM, Dmitry Torokhov
[off-list ref] wrote:

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Hi Lv,

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:24:50AM +0000, Zheng, Lv wrote:

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Hi, Dmitry


Thanks for the review.

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From: Dmitry Torokhov [mailto:dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] ACPI / button: Add document for ACPI

control

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method lid device restrictions

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 04:11:21PM +0800, Lv Zheng wrote:

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This patch adds documentation for the usage model of the control

method lid

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device.

Signed-off-by: Lv Zheng <redacted>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Benjamin Tissoires <redacted>
Cc: Bastien Nocera: <hadess@hadess.net>
Cc: linux-input@vger.kernel.org
---
 Documentation/acpi/acpi-lid.txt |   89

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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 1 file changed, 89 insertions(+)
 create mode 100644 Documentation/acpi/acpi-lid.txt

diff --git a/Documentation/acpi/acpi-lid.txt

b/Documentation/acpi/acpi-

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lid.txt

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new file mode 100644
index 0000000..2addedc

--- /dev/null
+++ b/Documentation/acpi/acpi-lid.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,89 @@
+Usage Model of the ACPI Control Method Lid Device
+
+Copyright (C) 2016, Intel Corporation
+Author: Lv Zheng <lv.zheng@intel.com>
+
+
+Abstract:
+
+Platforms containing lids convey lid state (open/close) to OSPMs

using

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+control method lid device. To implement this, the AML tables issue
+Notify(lid_device, 0x80) to notify the OSPMs whenever the lid

state has

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+changed. The _LID control method for the lid device must be

implemented to

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+report the "current" state of the lid as either "opened" or "closed".
+
+This document describes the restrictions and the expections of the

Linux

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+ACPI lid device driver.
+
+
+1. Restrictions of the returning value of the _LID control method
+
+The _LID control method is described to return the "current" lid

state.

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+However the word of "current" has ambiguity, many AML tables

return

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the lid

Can this be fixed in the next ACPI revision?

[Lv Zheng]
Even this is fixed in the ACPI specification, there are platforms already

doing this.

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Especially platforms from Microsoft.
So the de-facto standard OS won't care about the change.
And we can still see such platforms.

Here is an example from Surface 3:

DefinitionBlock ("dsdt.aml", "DSDT", 2, "ALASKA", "A M I ", 0x01072009)
{
    Scope (_SB)
    {
        Device (PCI0)
        {
            Name (_HID, EisaId ("PNP0A08"))  // _HID: Hardware ID
            Name (_CID, EisaId ("PNP0A03"))  // _CID: Compatible ID
            Device (SPI1)
            {
                Name (_HID, "8086228E")  // _HID: Hardware ID
                Device (NTRG)
                {
                    Name (_HID, "MSHW0037")  // _HID: Hardware ID
                }
            }
        }

        Device (LID)
        {
            Name (_HID, EisaId ("PNP0C0D"))
            Name (LIDB, Zero)

Start with lid closed? In any case might be wrong.

Actually the initial value doesn't matter if the gpiochip triggers the
_EC4 at boot, which it should
(https://github.com/hadess/fedora-surface3-
kernel/commit/13200f81662c1c0b58137947c3e6c000fe62a2ba,
still unsubmitted)

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            Method (_LID, 0, NotSerialized)
            {
                Return (LIDB)

So "_LID" returns the last state read by "_EC4". "_EC4" is
edge-triggered and will be evaluated every time gpio changes state.

That's assuming the change happens while the system is on. If you go
into suspend by closing the LID. Open it while on suspend and then hit
the power button given that the system doesn't wake up when the lid is
opened, the edge change was made while the system is asleep, and we
are screwed (from an ACPI point of view). See my next comment for a
solution.

[Lv Zheng] 
I actually not sure if polling can fix all issues.
For example.
If a platform reporting "close" after resuming.
Then polling _LID will always return "close".
And the userspace can still get the "close" not "open".
So it seems polling is not working for such platforms (cached value, initial close).
Surface 3 is not the only platform caching an initial close value.
There are 2 traditional platforms listed in the patch description.

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            }
        }

        Device (GPO0)
        {
            Name (_HID, "INT33FF")  // _HID: Hardware ID
            OperationRegion (GPOR, GeneralPurposeIo, Zero, One)
            Field (GPOR, ByteAcc, NoLock, Preserve)
            {
                Connection (
                    GpioIo (Shared, PullNone, 0x0000, 0x0000,

IoRestrictionNone,

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                        "\\_SB.GPO0", 0x00, ResourceConsumer, ,
                        )
                        {   // Pin list
                            0x004C
                        }
                ),
                HELD,   1

Is it possible to read state of this GPIO from userspace on startup to
correct the initial state?

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            }
            Method (_E4C, 0, Serialized)
            {
                If (LEqual(HELD, One))
                {
                    Store(One, ^^LID.LIDB)

There is no "open" event generated by "Surface 3".

Right so we update the state correctly, we just forgot to send the
notification. Nothing that polling can't fix.

Actually, I have a better (though more hackish) way of avoiding polling:
https://github.com/hadess/fedora-surface3-
kernel/blob/5e5775b9bdc308d665064387e0b144ee48e7b243/0002-WIP-
add-custom-surface3-platform-device-for-controll.patch

Given that the notification is forwarded to the touchscreen anyway, we
can unregister the generic (and buggy) acpi button driver for the LID
and create our own based on this specific DSDT.
We can also make sure the LID state is also correct because of the WMI
method which allows to read the actual value of the GPIO connected to
the cover without using the cached (and most of the time wrong) acpi
LID.LIDB value.

I still yet have to submit this, but with this patch, but we can
consider the Surface 3 as working and not an issue anymore.

[Lv Zheng] 
That could make surface 3 dependent on WMI driver, not ACPI button driver.
Will this affect other buttons?
For example, power button/sleep button.

Our approach is to make ACPI button driver working.
Though this may lead to ABI changes.

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                }
                Else
                {
                    Store(Zero, ^^LID.LIDB)
                    Notify (LID, 0x80)

There is only "close" event generated by "Surface 3".
Thus they are not paired.

                }
                Notify (^^PCI0.SPI1.NTRG, One) // Device Check
            }
        }
    }
}

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+state upon the last lid notification instead of returning the lid state
+upon the last _LID evaluation. There won't be difference when the

_LID

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+control method is evaluated during the runtime, the problem is its

initial

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+returning value. When the AML tables implement this control

method

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with

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+cached value, the initial returning value is likely not reliable. There

are

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+simply so many examples always retuning "closed" as initial lid

state.

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+
+2. Restrictions of the lid state change notifications
+
+There are many AML tables never notifying when the lid device

state is

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+changed to "opened". Thus the "opened" notification is not

guaranteed.

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+
+But it is guaranteed that the AML tables always notify "closed"

when

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the

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+lid state is changed to "closed". The "closed" notification is

normally

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+used to trigger some system power saving operations on Windows.

Since it is

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+fully tested, the "closed" notification is reliable for all AML tables.
+
+3. Expections for the userspace users of the ACPI lid device driver
+
+The ACPI button driver exports the lid state to the userspace via

the

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+following file:
+  /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID0/state
+This file actually calls the _LID control method described above.

And

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given

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+the previous explanation, it is not reliable enough on some

platforms.

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So

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+it is advised for the userspace program to not to solely rely on this

file

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+to determine the actual lid state.
+
+The ACPI button driver emits 2 kinds of events to the user space:
+  SW_LID
+   When the lid state/event is reliable, the userspace can behave
+   according to this input switch event.
+   This is a mode prepared for backward compatiblity.
+  KEY_EVENT_OPEN/KEY_EVENT_CLOSE
+   When the lid state/event is not reliable, the userspace should

behave

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+   according to these 2 input key events.
+   New userspace programs may only be prepared for the input key

events.

No, absolutely not. If some x86 vendors managed to mess up their
firmware implementations that does not mean that everyone now

has to

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abandon working perfectly well for them SW_LID events and rush to
switch
to a brand new event.

[Lv Zheng]
However there is no clear wording in the ACPI specification asking the

vendors to achieve paired lid events.

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Apparently were are a few issues, main is that some systems not

reporting

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"open" event. This can be dealt with by userspace "writing" to the
lid's evdev device EV_SW/SW_LID/0 event upon system resume (and
startup)
for selected systems. This will mean that if system wakes up not

because

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LID is open we'll incorrectly assume that it is, but we can either add
more smarts to the process emitting SW_LID event or simply say

"well,

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tough, the hardware is crappy" and bug vendor to see if they can fix

the

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issue (if not for current firmware them for next).

[Lv Zheng]
The problem is there is no vendor actually caring about fixing this

"issue".

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Because Windows works well with their firmware.
Then finally becomes a big table customization business for our team.

Well, OK. But you do not expect that we will redo up and down the stack
lid handling just because MS messed up DSDT on Surface 3? No, let them
know (they now care about Linux, right?) so Surface 4 works and quirk
the behavior for Surface 3.

From what I understood, it was more than just the Surface 3. Other
laptops were having issues and Lv's team gave up on fixing those
machines.

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As an additional workaround, we can toggle the LID switch off and on
when we get notification, much like your proposed patch does for the

key

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events.

I really don't like this approach. The problem being that we will fix
the notifications to user space, but nothing will tell userspace that
the LID state is known to be wrong.
OTOH, I already agreed for a hwdb in userspace so I guess this point is
moot.

Having both events (one SW for reliable HW, always correct, and one
KEY for unreliable HW) allows userspace to make a clear distinction
between the working and non working events and they can continue to
keep using the polling of the SW node without extra addition.

[Lv Zheng] 
I think this solution is good and fair for all of the vendors. :-)

Anyway, if the kernel doesn't want to (or can't) fix the actual issue
(by making sure the DSDT is reliable), userspace needs to be changed
so any solution will be acceptable.

[Lv Zheng] 
I think the answer is "can't".
If we introduced too many workarounds into acpi button driver,
in order to make something working while the platform firmware doesn't expect it to be working,
then we'll start to worry about breaking good laptops.

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[Lv Zheng]
I think this is doable, I'll refresh my patchset to address your this

comment.

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By inserting open/close events when next close/open event arrives

after a certain period,

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this may fix some issues for the old programs.
Where user may be required to open/close lid twice to trigger 2nd

suspend.

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However, this still cannot fix the problems like "Surface 3".
We'll still need a new usage model for such platforms (no open event).

No, for surface 3 you simply need to add polling of "_LID" method to the
button driver.

What are the other devices that mess up lid handling?

I also would be interested in knowing how much issues you are facing
compared to the average number of "good" laptops. IIRC, you talked
about 3 (counting the Surface 3), but I believe you had more in mind.

[Lv Zheng] 
Yes.
However they happened before I started to look at the lid issues.
I think Rui has several such experiences.
+Rui.

Thanks and best regards
-Lv

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