Re: Official Linux system wrapper library?

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Re: Official Linux system wrapper library?

From: Florian Weimer <hidden>
Date: 2018-11-11 11:02:15

* Michael Kerrisk:
I'm not sure I'd view the glibc position quite so harshly (although 
it is disappointing to me that bug 6399 remains open). I think they
are simply short of people to work on this task. There was a lengthy
period where no syscall wrappers were being added (pretty much from
2.16 to 2.24, as far as I can tell), but that has changed.
People may have disappeared from glibc development who have objected to
gettid.  I thought this was the case with strlcpy/strlcat, but it was
not.

At present, it takes one semi-active glibc contributor to block addition
of a system call.  The process to override a sustained objection has
never been used successfully, and it is a lot of work to get it even
started.

Thanks,
Florian

Re: Official Linux system wrapper library?

From: Joseph Myers <hidden>
Date: 2018-11-12 16:43:37

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Florian Weimer wrote:
People may have disappeared from glibc development who have objected to
gettid.  I thought this was the case with strlcpy/strlcat, but it was
not.
Well, I know of two main people who were objecting to the notion of adding 
bindings for all non-obsolescent syscalls, Linux-specific if not suitable 
for adding to the OS-independent GNU API, and neither seems to have posted 
in the past year.
At present, it takes one semi-active glibc contributor to block addition
of a system call.  The process to override a sustained objection has
never been used successfully, and it is a lot of work to get it even
started.
We don't have such a process.  (I've suggested, e.g. in conversation with 
Carlos at the Cauldron, that we should have something involving a 
supermajority vote of the GNU maintainers for glibc in cases where we're 
unable to reach a consensus in the community as a whole.)

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
joseph@codesourcery.com

Re: Official Linux system wrapper library?

From: Carlos O'Donell <hidden>
Date: 2018-11-13 15:15:47

On 11/12/18 11:43 AM, Joseph Myers wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Florian Weimer wrote:
quoted
People may have disappeared from glibc development who have objected to
gettid.  I thought this was the case with strlcpy/strlcat, but it was
not.
Well, I know of two main people who were objecting to the notion of adding 
bindings for all non-obsolescent syscalls, Linux-specific if not suitable 
for adding to the OS-independent GNU API, and neither seems to have posted 
in the past year.
quoted
At present, it takes one semi-active glibc contributor to block addition
of a system call.  The process to override a sustained objection has
never been used successfully, and it is a lot of work to get it even
started.
We don't have such a process.  (I've suggested, e.g. in conversation with 
Carlos at the Cauldron, that we should have something involving a 
supermajority vote of the GNU maintainers for glibc in cases where we're 
unable to reach a consensus in the community as a whole.)
 
... and I need a good excuse to propose such a process :-)

-- 
Cheers,
Carlos.
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