From: Wu-Cheng Li <hidden> Date: 2016-01-13 12:03:48
Some drivers also need a control like
V4L2_CID_MPEG_MFC51_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE to force an encoder frame
type. This patch adds a general V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE.
This control only affects the next queued buffer. There's no need to
clear the value after requesting an I frame. But all controls are set
in v4l2_ctrl_handler_setup. So a default DISABLED value is required.
Basically this control is like V4L2_CTRL_TYPE_BUTTON with parameters.
How to prevent a control from being set in v4l2_ctrl_handler_setup so
DISABLED value is not needed? Does it make sense not to set a control
if it is EXECUTE_ON_WRITE?
Wu-Cheng Li (1):
v4l: add V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE.
Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/controls.xml | 23 +++++++++++++++++++++++
drivers/media/v4l2-core/v4l2-ctrls.c | 13 +++++++++++++
include/uapi/linux/v4l2-controls.h | 5 +++++
3 files changed, 41 insertions(+)
--
2.6.0.rc2.230.g3dd15c0
From: Wu-Cheng Li <hidden> Date: 2016-01-13 12:04:05
Some drivers also need a control like
V4L2_CID_MPEG_MFC51_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE to force an encoder
frame type. Add a general V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE
so the new drivers and applications can use it.
Signed-off-by: Wu-Cheng Li <redacted>
---
Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/controls.xml | 23 +++++++++++++++++++++++
drivers/media/v4l2-core/v4l2-ctrls.c | 13 +++++++++++++
include/uapi/linux/v4l2-controls.h | 5 +++++
3 files changed, 41 insertions(+)
@@ -2330,6 +2330,29 @@ vertical search range for motion estimation module in video encoder.</entry></row><row><entry></entry></row>+<rowid="v4l2-mpeg-video-force-frame-type">+<entryspanname="id"><constant>V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE</constant> </entry>+<entry>enum v4l2_mpeg_video_force_frame_type</entry>+</row>+<row><entryspanname="descr">Forceaframetypeforthenextqueuedbuffer.Applicabletoencoders.+Thisisageneral,codec-agnostickeyframecontrol.Thisisawrite-onlyandexecute-on-writecontrol.Possiblevaluesare:</entry>+</row>+<row>+<entrytblspanname="descr"cols="2">+<tbodyvalign="top">+<row>+<entry><constant>V4L2_MPEG_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE_DISABLED</constant> </entry>+<entry>Forceaspecificframetypedisabled.</entry>+</row>+<row>+<entry><constant>V4L2_MPEG_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE_I_FRAME</constant> </entry>+<entry>ForceanI-frame.</entry>+</row>+</tbody>+</entrytbl>+</row>++<row><entry></entry></row><row><entryspanname="id"><constant>V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_CPB_SIZE</constant> </entry><entry>integer</entry>
From: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas.dufresne@collabora.com> Date: 2016-01-13 15:02:50
Le mercredi 13 janvier 2016 à 20:03 +0800, Wu-Cheng Li a écrit :
Some drivers also need a control like
V4L2_CID_MPEG_MFC51_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE to force an encoder frame
type. This patch adds a general V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE.
This control only affects the next queued buffer. There's no need to
clear the value after requesting an I frame. But all controls are set
in v4l2_ctrl_handler_setup. So a default DISABLED value is required.
Basically this control is like V4L2_CTRL_TYPE_BUTTON with parameters.
How to prevent a control from being set in v4l2_ctrl_handler_setup so
DISABLED value is not needed? Does it make sense not to set a control
if it is EXECUTE_ON_WRITE?
I don't like the way it's implemented. I don't know any decoder that
have a frame type forcing feature other they I-Frame. It would be much
more natural to use a toggle button control (and add more controls for
other types when needed) then trying to merge hypothetical toggles into
something that manually need to be set and disabled.
From: Wu-Cheng Li (李務誠) <hidden> Date: 2016-01-13 16:07:50
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Nicolas Dufresne
[off-list ref] wrote:
Le mercredi 13 janvier 2016 à 20:03 +0800, Wu-Cheng Li a écrit :
quoted
Some drivers also need a control like
V4L2_CID_MPEG_MFC51_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE to force an encoder frame
type. This patch adds a general V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE.
This control only affects the next queued buffer. There's no need to
clear the value after requesting an I frame. But all controls are set
in v4l2_ctrl_handler_setup. So a default DISABLED value is required.
Basically this control is like V4L2_CTRL_TYPE_BUTTON with parameters.
How to prevent a control from being set in v4l2_ctrl_handler_setup so
DISABLED value is not needed? Does it make sense not to set a control
if it is EXECUTE_ON_WRITE?
I don't like the way it's implemented. I don't know any decoder that
have a frame type forcing feature other they I-Frame. It would be much
more natural to use a toggle button control (and add more controls for
other types when needed) then trying to merge hypothetical toggles into
something that manually need to be set and disabled.
Using a button control sounds like a good idea. I'll discuss with other people
and reply tomorrow.
From: Wu-Cheng Li [mailto:wuchengli@chromium.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:04 PM
To: pawel@osciak.com; mchehab@osg.samsung.com; hverkuil@xs4all.nl;
k.debski@samsung.com; crope@iki.fi; standby24x7@gmail.com;
wuchengli@chromium.org; nicolas.dufresne@collabora.com;
ricardo.ribalda@gmail.com; ao2@ao2.it; bparrot@ti.com
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-
api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH] v4l: add V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE.
Some drivers also need a control like
V4L2_CID_MPEG_MFC51_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE to force an encoder
frame type. Add a general V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE
so the new drivers and applications can use it.
Good to hear that there are new codecs to use the V4L2 codec API :)
My two cents are following - when you add a control that does the same work
as a driver specific control then it would be great if you modified the
driver that
uses the specific control to also support the newly added control.
This way future applications could use the control you added for both new
and
old drivers.
In future versions of this patch set please include modification of the
s5p-mfc
diver, this shouldn't be much work.
Regarding the changes in the API I would like to hear also Hans Verkuil's
opinion, as he was a great help when I introduced the changes in the codec
API.
Any comments Hans?
Best wishes,
--
Kamil Debski
Samsung R&D Institute Poland
@@ -2330,6 +2330,29 @@ vertical search range for motion estimation
module in video encoder.</entry>
</row>
<row><entry></entry></row>
+ <row id="v4l2-mpeg-video-force-frame-type">
+ <entry
spanname="id"><constant>V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE<
/constant> </entry>
+
<entry>enum v4l2_mpeg_video_force_frame_type</entry>
+ </row>
+ <row><entry spanname="descr">Force a frame type for the next
queued buffer. Applicable to encoders.
+This is a general, codec-agnostic keyframe control. This is a write-only
From: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas.dufresne@collabora.com> Date: 2016-01-14 15:02:32
Hi Kamil,
Le mercredi 13 janvier 2016 à 17:43 +0100, Kamil Debski a écrit :
Good to hear that there are new codecs to use the V4L2 codec API :)
My two cents are following - when you add a control that does the same work
as a driver specific control then it would be great if you modified the
driver that
uses the specific control to also support the newly added control.
This way future applications could use the control you added for both new
and
old drivers.
When i first notice this MFC specific control, I believed it was use to
produce I-Frame only streams (rather then a toggle, to produce one key-
frame on demand). So I wanted to verify the implementation to make sure
what Wu-Cheng is doing make sense. Though, I found that we set:
ctx->force_frame_type = ctrl->val;
And never use that value anywhere else in the driver code. Hopefully
I'm just missing something, but if it's not implemented, maybe it's
better not to expose it. Otherwise, this may lead to hard to find
streaming issues. I do hope we can add this feature though, as it's
very useful feature for real time encoding.
cheers,
Nicolas
From: Nicolas Dufresne [mailto:nicolas.dufresne-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 4:02 PM
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mchehab-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org; hverkuil-qWit8jRvyhVmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org; crope-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org;
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] v4l: add
V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE.
Hi Kamil,
Le mercredi 13 janvier 2016 à 17:43 +0100, Kamil Debski a écrit :
quoted
Good to hear that there are new codecs to use the V4L2 codec API :)
My two cents are following - when you add a control that does the same
work as a driver specific control then it would be great if you
modified the driver that uses the specific control to also support the
newly added control.
This way future applications could use the control you added for both
new and old drivers.
When i first notice this MFC specific control, I believed it was use to produce
I-Frame only streams (rather then a toggle, to produce one key- frame on
demand). So I wanted to verify the implementation to make sure what Wu-
Cheng is doing make sense. Though, I found that we set:
ctx->force_frame_type = ctrl->val;
And never use that value anywhere else in the driver code. Hopefully I'm just
missing something, but if it's not implemented, maybe it's better not to
expose it. Otherwise, this may lead to hard to find streaming issues. I do
hope we can add this feature though, as it's very useful feature for real time
encoding.
Ooops, you're right. It's not implemented. I am adding Andrzej Hajda to the CC loop, he may know more about this. I think it may have been implemented in some of our development branches, but somehow did not make it into the mainline kernel. That's one thing.
The other one is about your previous comment. I will quote it below, as it is in another email.
I don't like the way it's implemented. I don't know any decoder that have
a frame type forcing feature other they I-Frame. It would be much more
natural to use a toggle button control (and add more controls for other
types when needed) then trying to merge hypothetical toggles into
something that manually need to be set and disabled.
I had a look into the documentation of MFC. It is possible to force two types of a frame to be coded.
The one is a keyframe, the other is a not coded frame. As I understand this is a type of frame that means that image did not change from previous frame. I am sure I seen it in an MPEG4 stream in a movie trailer. The initial board with the age rating is displayed for a couple of seconds and remains static. Thus there is one I-frame and a number of non-coded frames.
That is the reason why the control was implemented in MFC as a menu and not a button. Thus the question remains - is it better to leave it as a menu, or should there be two (maybe more in the future) buttons?
Wu-Cheng, does your hardware also supports inserting such a non-coded frame? I can imagine that there could be hardware (in the future or some current hardware that I am not aware of other than MFC) that could support this.
Best wishes,
--
Kamil Debski
Samsung R&D Institute Poland
From: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas.dufresne@collabora.com> Date: 2016-01-14 19:02:33
Le jeudi 14 janvier 2016 à 18:21 +0100, Kamil Debski a écrit :
I had a look into the documentation of MFC. It is possible to force
two types of a frame to be coded.
The one is a keyframe, the other is a not coded frame. As I
understand this is a type of frame that means that image did not
change from previous frame. I am sure I seen it in an MPEG4 stream in
a movie trailer. The initial board with the age rating is displayed
for a couple of seconds and remains static. Thus there is one I-frame
and a number of non-coded frames.
That is the reason why the control was implemented in MFC as a menu
and not a button. Thus the question remains - is it better to leave
it as a menu, or should there be two (maybe more in the future)
buttons?
Then I believe we need both. Because with the menu, setting I-Frame, I
would expect to only receive keyframes from now-on. While the useful
feature we are looking for here, is to get the next buffer (or nearby)
to be a keyframe. It's the difference between creating an I-Frame only
stream and requesting a key-frame manually for recovery (RTP use case).
In this end, we should probably take that time to review the features
we have as we need:
- A way to trigger a key frame to be produce
- A way to produce a I-Frame only stream
- A way to set the key-frame distance (in frames) even though this
could possibly be emulated using the trigger.
cheers,
Nicolas
From: Nicolas Dufresne [mailto:nicolas.dufresne@collabora.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:02 PM
To: Kamil Debski; 'Wu-Cheng Li'; pawel@osciak.com;
mchehab@osg.samsung.com; hverkuil@xs4all.nl; crope@iki.fi;
standby24x7@gmail.com; ricardo.ribalda@gmail.com; ao2@ao2.it;
bparrot@ti.com; 'Andrzej Hajda'
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-
api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] v4l: add
V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_FORCE_FRAME_TYPE.
Le jeudi 14 janvier 2016 à 18:21 +0100, Kamil Debski a écrit :
quoted
I had a look into the documentation of MFC. It is possible to force
two types of a frame to be coded.
The one is a keyframe, the other is a not coded frame. As I understand
this is a type of frame that means that image did not change from
previous frame. I am sure I seen it in an MPEG4 stream in a movie
trailer. The initial board with the age rating is displayed for a
couple of seconds and remains static. Thus there is one I-frame and a
number of non-coded frames.
That is the reason why the control was implemented in MFC as a menu
and not a button. Thus the question remains - is it better to leave it
as a menu, or should there be two (maybe more in the future) buttons?
Then I believe we need both. Because with the menu, setting I-Frame, I
would expect to only receive keyframes from now-on. While the useful
feature we are looking for here, is to get the next buffer (or nearby) to be a
keyframe. It's the difference between creating an I-Frame only stream and
requesting a key-frame manually for recovery (RTP use case).
In this end, we should probably take that time to review the features we
have as we need:
I think we had a discussion about this long, long time ago. Should it be
deterministic which frame Is encoded as a key frame? Should it be the
next queued frame, or the next processed frame? How to achieve this?
I vaguely remember that we discussed per buffer controls on the mailing
list, but I am not sure where the discussion went from there.
- A way to trigger a key frame to be produce
- A way to produce a I-Frame only stream
This control can be used to do this:
- V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_GOP_SIZE (It is not well documented as I can see ;) )
+ If set to 0 the encoder produces a stream with P only frames
+ if set to 1 the encoder produces a stream with I only frames
+ other values indicate the GOP size (I-frame interval)
- A way to set the key-frame distance (in frames) even though this could
possibly be emulated using the trigger.
As described above V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_GOP_SIZE can be used to achieve this.
cheers,
Nicolas
Best wishes,
--
Kamil Debski
Samsung R&D Institute Poland
From: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas.dufresne@collabora.com> Date: 2016-01-15 17:21:27
Le vendredi 15 janvier 2016 à 18:01 +0100, Kamil Debski a écrit :
I think we had a discussion about this long, long time ago. Should it
be
deterministic which frame Is encoded as a key frame? Should it be the
next queued frame, or the next processed frame? How to achieve this?
I vaguely remember that we discussed per buffer controls on the
mailing
list, but I am not sure where the discussion went from there.
In RTP use cases (and most streaming cases), all we care is that we
have a key-frame produced somewhere nearby after the request. In those
cases we use P frame only stream to reduce the bandwidth and only
request a key frame for recovery. This I believe that most common case.
Many decoders though also offer what they called an "automatic" key
frame mode. In the case of x264, there is also hints you can give to
the encoder about what type of video (film, anime, etc.) so it can
optimize all this. I believe this is very advance and there is no
particular need for it.
quoted
- A way to trigger a key frame to be produce
- A way to produce a I-Frame only stream
This control can be used to do this:
- V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_GOP_SIZE (It is not well documented as I can
see ;) )
+ If set to 0 the encoder produces a stream with P only
frames
+ if set to 1 the encoder produces a stream with I only
frames
+ other values indicate the GOP size (I-frame interval)
quoted
- A way to set the key-frame distance (in frames) even though this
could
quoted
possibly be emulated using the trigger.
As described above V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_GOP_SIZE can be used to
achieve this.
Great, my memory failed on me, should have checked. This is exactly
what I was thinking. So Wu-Cheng Li patch is really what we need in the
immediate.
regards,
Nicolas